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RE: any old schoolers in the house? - 4/5/2011 11:32:52 AM   
Arturas


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Status: offline I can't speak to what old guard means in the military since I was speaking of bdsm OG.

Old Guard was started by a group of gay black man that served in the World War and found the lifestyle in Europe.  They came back here to the US and continued forming a BDSM based on a sort of military order structure.  You started as a sub and learned to serve until you earned your leather, this is also one of the start of the leatherman.

I doubt that most of the answers here were either done with honor or with any real knowledge.  Oh and before the net people did know more then just bedroom M/s.  Though at the moment it seems that it is just easier to be like children that think they know it all.

If that sound like a person that understands more then chatroom D/s it is because I do.

Russell


Excuse My french, but bullshit.

You're not the only person on these boards who was involved in M/s before they were on the net.  I've got no problem respecting those who are senior leathermen than Me, but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to stand up and tell someone when they are trying to pull the high and mighty crap.

Yes, there was a time that a person could only earn their leathers if they fit into certain categories.  They did have to serve under someone else first.  Yes, they had to be men.  That was sixty years ago.  Times have changed since sixty years ago and there isn't a soul on these boards (that I'm aware of) who has been doing wiitwd that long.  If you have, you look damn good for eighty.

If you actually preferred the days that straight people couldn't adopt a leather lifestyle or that the only Masters were men, I'm more than happy to tell you that you can have it.  Thankfully, I don't run into such attitudes in the leather community and I am afforded the same respect as any other person who has their place in it.  I can promise you that the leather that I earned is just as valuable to Me as yours are to you.

With that, I will wish you a good day and give My best regards to you and your household.


I must have missed something in this thread, I cannot see what your response had to do with his post. He stated what I have also read about the origins of Old Guard Leathermen (except for the "black" description) and then gave a personal opinion on the quality of the posts here. I cannot see what the "yes, there was a time that a person could..." comment you made has to directly do with his post and when did he express an opinion that "he preferred the days that straight people couldn't ...."?



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RE: any old schoolers in the house? - 4/5/2011 12:07:00 PM   
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It's very simple.  If Russell was speaking, as he said, about the origins of what people now call Old Guard, that is the era that he is referring to.  In that era, there wasn't the inclusion of what leather is today. 

When looking at history, even leather history, you have to look at the whole of it.  Not just the parts that one might want to romanticize. 


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RE: any old schoolers in the house? - 4/5/2011 12:54:11 PM   
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O'k, lets put the "Old Guard" jokes to rest.   While the individual who started the 7 day honor thing was being quite arrogant and I gave one of several back handed responses to it.  Let us understand what we're talking about.   (Make whatever comments you desire after understanding how wrong we all have been....including the arrogance of myself and the OP.)

The "Old Guard" is a U.S. Army regiment that is a tremendous honor to get assigned to.   It is a parade regiment that performs honors services at the most sacred of the U.S. military's ceremonies.  On a daily basis, they guard the Tomb of the Unknowns and provide the honor guard to the bodies of soldiers who have earned the privilege to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery.  They provide full military honors to a great many ceremonies beyond these.   While they are a "parade" unit, the "Old Guard" doesn't consist of "parade soldiers"....these are soldiers who have proven themselves to be exceptional and have earned the privilege of serving in the regiment.  The duty of honoring our nation's fallen is not taken lightly by their families nor their comrades and these men are tasked with honoring that.




I am going to preface this by saying, I am a vet served in nam got shot more times than I care to remember. And I honor all the men that served their country.

Let's cut to the chase regarding the "old guard". The guys I ran with viewed them as soldiers that had their nose stuck so far up Top's ass it was brown. And would do "anything" to keep from shot at.

Some of you may think "sour grapes" No I signed up to serve in nam as a chopper pilot. I had a pretty good idea that I'd be in the thick of it.

It's true that you have to be selected for that service. They just tended to be less thought of by the guys I ran with.

Your view may vary. BadOne

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