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Hippiekinkster -> Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 8:19:27 AM)

This is so powerful. But yer just gonna have to click on the link to read it.




slvemike4u -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 8:33:06 AM)

Thanks for the link....a stark ,and revealing look at the controversy thru the eyes of a "have" [:D].




DomKen -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 8:43:23 AM)

Every right winger should read this essay and actually think about what the author has to say.




slvemike4u -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 8:45:33 AM)

You are making the assumption that "every" right winger can read....or actually chooses to exercise that talent once in awhile [:)]




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 9:07:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Thanks for the link....a stark ,and revealing look at the controversy thru the eyes of a "have" [:D].
You are welcome. I try to start informative threads. It is quite interesting how the guy who once had it all is going farther to the right, and blaming the frugal have-not for his situation. There's a clue there about right-wing behavior. And, not to go all Godwin or anything, but that is similar to how Adolf came to power. The politics of fear, because that, IMO, is what it boils down to. It's Aesop's "The Ant and the Grasshopper" in real life. The grasshopper bought all his expensive toys, and the big trophy house, and now that he has pissed it all away he gets angry and attacks the poor ant who saved and scrimped for her house and her retirement. The grasshopper is suddenly uncertain about his future; he's afraid, and so he lashes out.




joether -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 10:26:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Thanks for the link....a stark ,and revealing look at the controversy thru the eyes of a "have" [:D].
You are welcome. I try to start informative threads. It is quite interesting how the guy who once had it all is going farther to the right, and blaming the frugal have-not for his situation. There's a clue there about right-wing behavior. And, not to go all Godwin or anything, but that is similar to how Adolf came to power. The politics of fear, because that, IMO, is what it boils down to. It's Aesop's "The Ant and the Grasshopper" in real life. The grasshopper bought all his expensive toys, and the big trophy house, and now that he has pissed it all away he gets angry and attacks the poor ant who saved and scrimped for her house and her retirement. The grasshopper is suddenly uncertain about his future; he's afraid, and so he lashes out.


I remeber that story from when I was really young. It does make sense given the current trend. I would only add, what happen with the ants towards teh grasshopper: Helped him weather the winter (in this case, not lose the house, health insurance, or future business). But cynically, I'm with DK on this one: most conservative are just to stupid to consider they've been backing the very ones riping the country apart.




truckinslave -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 10:42:45 AM)

And the moral of the story is: "government workers are good, capitalists are bad"
We've seen/heard that before.

I always feel sympathy for entrepreneurs who go bust.....

I wonder if the plumber knows the difference between "me" and "I".




slvemike4u -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 10:55:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

And the moral of the story is: "government workers are good, capitalists are bad"
We've seen/heard that before.

I always feel sympathy for entrepreneurs who go bust.....

I wonder if the plumber knows the difference between "me" and "I".
Not what I got from the story....what I got was the "plumber" enjoyed the fruit of his good years....and now that he has entered some lean years,he needs a scapegoat.
He,like you,has found an easy target in attacking "soft" targets.Public sector employees,those that teach your children,patrol your streets and pick up your trash.




pahunkboy -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/3/2011 2:19:37 PM)

Typical local jobs pay no where near 80k a year.




NeedToUseYou -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 1:35:18 AM)

Am I the only one that dislikes both characters in the story?

The plumber was a dipshit. Actually, most people are identical to the plumber whether it be private or public employee. I know people that work for the government that spend every dime they make, because they perceive their job as a law of nature. I also know people that own businesses that spend every single penny, and constantly live on the edge. I also know people that work for corps, and have a healthy household income buying crap from rent one (weekly payment store for crap like tv's).

The moral of the story 80% plus of this country lives like the plumber, IMO, that's why this country is in the shape it is.

But I make more than most I know, that think I'm worse off than they are, because I don't spend my checking account down, and buy things I can't afford. It's kind of funny. I have a used car, paid for, I'm paying off a mortgage in 6 years, that most would take 20-30 to pay off and use the cash for flash. While others making less are driving a new car, living in a neighborhood they can't afford, all on the gamble that nothing will ever go wrong in the 20-30 years it will take them to actually own anything.

The plumber was an idiot, all that will happen is he will go broke and the frugal plumber down the block will buy his equipment at auction for 20% of purchase price, and take his business, regardless of what is happening in wisconsin over a couple decades timeline. The frugal non-debt laden person has a compounding advantage over time. So, Kevin the plumber has 10% credit card, 5 percent mortgage, 6 percent line of credit. average debt interest of 6ish percent with a total debt load equaling one years gross income has a horrific disadvantage over the course of a decade, or rather he has to work 20ish days more every single year just to pay the interest on that snowmobile.

That's huge. but it doesn't matter if you own a business, are an employee, or work for the government, you are dumb and deserve to lose everything, living a life structured around being permanently in debt.

As far as the cop goes, well, he's not playing the same game, his opinion doesn't matter. 50K plus is more than the average worker in wisconsin makes for the level of education it requires to be a cop, he takes little risk compared to the business owner, near guaranteed employment, early retirement. Most business owners deal with the threat of going completely broke constantly when starting, they actually pay taxes, work 7 days a week, cops drive around eating doughnuts and handing out traffic tickets 90% of the time, at least around here. I've called the cops once in my life, and they acted sooooooo put out to actually have to do something for a citizen once in my 35 years of life. So fuck the cops, they don't deserve 50K, early retirement. Fuck em. That's why a large percentage of people don't give a shit about a cops sob story, because they are assholes for the most part. Power obsessed lazy fat assholes. Of course 1 out 10 is probably a good cop, but when encountering a cop it is best to assume the stereotype will apply.








rulemylife -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 3:35:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou


As far as the cop goes, well, he's not playing the same game, his opinion doesn't matter. 50K plus is more than the average worker in wisconsin makes for the level of education it requires to be a cop, he takes little risk compared to the business owner, near guaranteed employment, early retirement.



Yeah, he only risks his life protecting sorry sacks like you.




marti200965 -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 4:44:19 AM)

quote:

Am I the only one that dislikes both characters in the story?


Nope

I thought they were both idiots.

The plumber who didn't think of his future and spent all his money and the cop who now blames everyone else for his life choices.




marti200965 -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 4:45:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Every right winger should read this essay and actually think about what the author has to say.


You could suggest the ones on the left read it also

but then we would have to go back and explain what it said and I don't have that kind of time




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 6:19:20 AM)

The OP's story was so sad, it almost made me cry. Almost.




Sanity -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 6:22:13 AM)


Everything the Green Bay Progressive propagandizes is bound to do that to even the toughest of men, guaranteed. [:(]

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The OP's story was so sad, it almost made me cry. Almost.




slvemike4u -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 9:58:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou


As far as the cop goes, well, he's not playing the same game, his opinion doesn't matter. 50K plus is more than the average worker in wisconsin makes for the level of education it requires to be a cop, he takes little risk compared to the business owner, near guaranteed employment, early retirement.



Yeah, he only risks his life protecting sorry sacks like you.

Great minds...and all that [:D]




slvemike4u -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 9:59:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The OP's story was so sad, it almost made me cry. Almost.
Bullshit....the last time you cried,President elect Obama was taking the oath that removed the "elect" .




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 11:50:32 AM)

I said almost...




hlen5 -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 12:32:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

Am I the only one that dislikes both characters in the story?

The plumber was a dipshit. Actually, most people are identical to the plumber whether it be private or public employee. I know people that work for the government that spend every dime they make, because they perceive their job as a law of nature. I also know people that own businesses that spend every single penny, and constantly live on the edge. I also know people that work for corps, and have a healthy household income buying crap from rent one (weekly payment store for crap like tv's).

The moral of the story 80% plus of this country lives like the plumber, IMO, that's why this country is in the shape it is.

But I make more than most I know, that think I'm worse off than they are, because I don't spend my checking account down, and buy things I can't afford. It's kind of funny. I have a used car, paid for, I'm paying off a mortgage in 6 years, that most would take 20-30 to pay off and use the cash for flash. While others making less are driving a new car, living in a neighborhood they can't afford, all on the gamble that nothing will ever go wrong in the 20-30 years it will take them to actually own anything.

The plumber was an idiot, all that will happen is he will go broke and the frugal plumber down the block will buy his equipment at auction for 20% of purchase price, and take his business, regardless of what is happening in wisconsin over a couple decades timeline. The frugal non-debt laden person has a compounding advantage over time. So, Kevin the plumber has 10% credit card, 5 percent mortgage, 6 percent line of credit. average debt interest of 6ish percent with a total debt load equaling one years gross income has a horrific disadvantage over the course of a decade, or rather he has to work 20ish days more every single year just to pay the interest on that snowmobile.

That's huge. but it doesn't matter if you own a business, are an employee, or work for the government, you are dumb and deserve to lose everything, living a life structured around being permanently in debt.

As far as the cop goes, well, he's not playing the same game, his opinion doesn't matter. 50K plus is more than the average worker in wisconsin makes for the level of education it requires to be a cop, he takes little risk compared to the business owner, near guaranteed employment, early retirement. Most business owners deal with the threat of going completely broke constantly when starting, they actually pay taxes, work 7 days a week, cops drive around eating doughnuts and handing out traffic tickets 90% of the time, at least around here. I've called the cops once in my life, and they acted sooooooo put out to actually have to do something for a citizen once in my 35 years of life. So fuck the cops, they don't deserve 50K, early retirement. Fuck em. That's why a large percentage of people don't give a shit about a cops sob story, because they are assholes for the most part. Power obsessed lazy fat assholes. Of course 1 out 10 is probably a good cop, but when encountering a cop it is best to assume the stereotype will apply.







You had me til the last paragraph. I agree, one should be as debt free as possible.

The cop in the story was all for his friend's business "success". If Kevin were truly a success, he wouldn't have been so bad in debt, now would he? After all the fun he had he got to piss and moan about those "haves". Those "haves" who worked nights and weekends, broke up several fights from of the same family members time and again.

Who do you think will put the fire in your house out, catch the guy who stole your car, or teach your kids? The "have" government workers.

What a crock of crap ending to an otherwise reasonable post.




fmfclwu -> RE: Wisconsin: The Haves and the Have-nots (4/4/2011 10:19:34 PM)

Greedy cop.  How could he decry making such sacrifices when Wisconsin is so broke it can only pay the college dropout son of one of Walker's biggest campaign donors $81,500 plus benefits per year?




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