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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 8:48:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Mental health professionals are, in general, a fairly crazy lot -- at least as troubled as the general population"

is this the quote that you wanted everyone to see?
Brief reading did not tell me that mental health workers have higher incidences of suicide though

I never once claimed that psychologist or psychiatrists had better home lives and stronger personal mental health. If i had, this would have been a great article in this popular magazine.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 8:56:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Psychiatrists probably have a higher incidence of mood disorders than those in other branches of medicine"

http://www.medconnect.com.au/tabid/84/s19/Otolaryngology/ct1/c339650/Perspective-When-Psychiatrists-Die-by-Suicide/Default.aspx

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 9:05:41 AM   
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I bet those "professionals" have alienation, abandonment issues and suicidal ideations too. Having a Dr. in front of their name doesn't make them all right up in the head. In fact, did you know that the profession with the highest suicide rate is....

wait for it....


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Psychiatrists.


Lol!

I mean, they'll put you on lithium, prozac, celexa, paxil to numb you out...That way, you never even stand a chance of getting wiser...


That is great for trying to make a point. Do you care that it is incorrect info?


Incorrect info according to who? You?

You can believe that.



30 seconds of google shows that dentists are believed to have the highest suicide rate of any profession, especially older ones.....nothing mentioned shrinks.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 9:09:13 AM   
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"Psychiatrists probably have a higher incidence of mood disorders than those in other branches of medicine"

http://www.medconnect.com.au/tabid/84/s19/Otolaryngology/ct1/c339650/Perspective-When-Psychiatrists-Die-by-Suicide/Default.aspx

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I bolded the parts that you should be paying attention to here. Probably is a very elusive term and they used this because it has not been quantified. And mood disorders do not all lead to suicide thankfully. and finally than other branches of medicine. Not than the rest of the population. Your quote does not substantiate your claim.

The only purpose you have it seems is to discredit mental health as a viable option for anyone with mental difficulties. That is not the brightest stand. Okay i understand that you have some paranoia around psychologists and psychiatrists. I understand. To tell those that suffer from suicidal ideation that the doctors have no clue about what they have attended 7 or 8 years of school for is ludicrous.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 9:19:22 AM   
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I bet those "professionals" have alienation, abandonment issues and suicidal ideations too. Having a Dr. in front of their name doesn't make them all right up in the head. In fact, did you know that the profession with the highest suicide rate is....

wait for it....


.....


Psychiatrists.


Lol!

I mean, they'll put you on lithium, prozac, celexa, paxil to numb you out...That way, you never even stand a chance of getting wiser...


That is great for trying to make a point. Do you care that it is incorrect info?


Incorrect info according to who? You?

You can believe that.



30 seconds of google shows that dentists are believed to have the highest suicide rate of any profession, especially older ones.....nothing mentioned shrinks.


Nope. It's physicians. And among physicians, psychiatrists are most at risk.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 9:28:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of the things that is important to do with any health care professional is to see how they are...to meet them and vet them and see if they are a good match for you...to use one's skills of discernment.

There are good ones, mediocre ones and terrible ones and there are good ones that just are incompatible with you (a mental health care provider is no different in that respect than any other health care provider); but you seem determined to paint them all with the same brush, in much the same way you erroneously placed Lithium in the same group as SSRIs and believe that they will numb you instead of correct a chemical imbalance.



How many psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb?

Only one; but the lightbulb has to really want to change.



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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 9:44:53 AM   
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30 seconds of google shows that dentists are believed to have the highest suicide rate of any profession, especially older ones.....nothing mentioned shrinks.

Yep I was going to say that some research I did a few years ago had dentists at number one and I think air traffic controllers were high up on the list as well.


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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 9:45:56 AM   
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One of the things that is important to do with any health care professional is to see how they are...to meet them and vet them and see if they are a good match for you...to use one's skills of discernment.

There are good ones, mediocre ones and terrible ones and there are good ones that just are incompatible with you (a mental health care provider is no different in that respect than any other health care provider); but you seem determined to paint them all with the same brush, in much the same way you erroneously placed Lithium in the same group as SSRIs and believe that they will numb you instead of correct a chemical imbalance.



How many psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb?

Only one; but the lightbulb has to really want to change.




I agree there are good psychologists and terrible ones...
As for meds, I've been on them before. And although I didn't feel depressed, or anxious, I also didn't feel pleasurable emotions like joy and excitement.
In fact, one of the side-effects of antidepressants or SSRI's is increased suicidal ideation...Kind of an oxymoron when you think those drugs are supposed to lift you out of depression. Here's the study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8452661

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 9:47:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		The graphs i found do show great variance over different years. I did not think it a detailed enough graph to use it here. I did, however, find it interesting. Some years students were the #1 other years were business owners, one was the unemployed. Interesting stuff.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 9:51:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes there can be horrible side effects of any drug which is why you are expected to stay in contact with your doctor. Just like the side effects on any other medication though, not everyone develops them and it is important to find the right prescription for you.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:00:12 AM   
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Yes there can be horrible side effects of any drug which is why you are expected to stay in contact with your doctor. Just like the side effects on any other medication though, not everyone develops them and it is important to find the right prescription for you.


Cookie, doctors don't know. I know people who work in the pharmaceutical industry who sell the newest drugs on the market to doctors, who in turn receive a percentage off of what they prescribe to their patients.

It's why I take a more holistic approach to healing.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:01:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Subbykat, it is obvious that you have great google-fu powers however if I may give a humble suggestion?  From the comments that you are making as you present these articles as a fait accompli, it appears that you may not be understanding what they actually are saying (or not saying) so maybe it might be an idea to stay away from google for a bit.

Yes, there are some anti-depressants which have been known to increase the risk of suicidal ideation in some people.  However it is generally not only that a person has commenced this medication but a number of other events that happen..... a couple of thoughts are -  the family/friends of the person who has started the medication may feel that they can relax a bit now as the person will be fine now or possibly that the person taking the meds may not realise that they need to report any drop in mood to their treater.

Yes doctors are aware of these risks with a small group of anti-depressants which is why when they prescribe any medications to their patients, they ask them to contact them immediately if they experience a drop in mood (or at least, this is the protocol in Australia).


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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:04:13 AM   
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Subbykat, it is obvious that you have great google-fu powers however if I may give a humble suggestion?  From the comments that you are making as you present these articles as a fait accompli, it appears that you may not be understanding what they actually are saying (or not saying) so maybe it might be an idea to stay away from google for a bit.

Yes, there are some anti-depressants which have been known to increase the risk of suicidal ideation in some people.  However it is generally not only that a person has commenced this medication but a number of other events that happen..... a couple of thoughts are -  the family/friends of the person who has started the medication may feel that they can relax a bit now as the person will be fine now or possibly that the person taking the meds may not realise that they need to report any drop in mood to their treater.

Yes doctors are aware of these risks with a small group of anti-depressants which is why when they prescribe any medications to their patients, they ask them to contact them immediately if they experience a drop in mood (or at least, this is the protocol in Australia).



What people need to do is stop taking meds, which kill the libido and start having better sex. Now, don't tell me having full body, multiple orgasms aren't a mood boost. Doctors won't tell you. They want you to take their pills.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:04:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have strong beliefs in holistic medicine without a doubt though i also believe that anti depressants are a great way to make things neutral so that you can work on your depression. These pills are not meant for lifelong use (other than lithium for bipolar disorder but there are a few other choices even in that) but as a boost up so that you are capable of dealing with your issues

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:07:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		A healthy sex life is important for overall health but no the answer to depression cannot be found between your legs.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:15:18 AM   
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What people need to do is stop taking meds, which kill the libido and start having better sex. Now, don't tell me having full body, multiple orgasms aren't a mood boost. Doctors won't tell you. They want you to take their pills.


hmmm  given the opening post in this thread which you made and which I quote below, may I ask how this is working for you Subbykat?

And as far as I know, doctors and psychologists are aware of the benefits of orgasm and the release of chemicals that follows, however many people are not in relationships and the benefits of sexual release can be defeated if someone is seeking casual sex in order to get that high and then beats themselves up afterwards for having had random sex (just one scenario).

what is your answer for people who are having the mind-blowing sex but are still struggling with symptoms of depression?

I definitely am not a proponent of medication for everyone, but I have seen how helpful it can be for people when used as an adjunct to talk therapy (eg. cognitive behavioural therapy), life style changes eg. increase exercise, healthy eating and reduce social isolation and support from family and friends.

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I was wondering if there is anyone else out there like me, who engages in self-destructive behaviors, such as crying fits, suicidal thoughts or mental flagellation, whenever your Master is angry with you, ignores you or tells you he will break up with you?

I find it very difficult when my Master doesn't approve of me in some way. I get very hateful towards myself and it sometimes takes me days to recover from it.




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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:17:20 AM   
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A healthy sex life is important for overall health but no the answer to depression cannot be found between your legs.


That's too bad that your sex life is limited to what is between your legs. No, I'm talking about the kind of sex that leaves you shaking and quivering for hours and basking in sensual ecstasy for days... I'm talking about full body orgasms that not only stimulate what's in between your legs, but your whole heart and soul. I bet you've never had one of those, because if you did, you would understand how sexual energy is the most powerful human force that can heal our mind, body and spirit...

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:18:11 AM   
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Subbykat, it is obvious that you have great google-fu powers however if I may give a humble suggestion?  From the comments that you are making as you present these articles as a fait accompli, it appears that you may not be understanding what they actually are saying (or not saying) so maybe it might be an idea to stay away from google for a bit.

Yes, there are some anti-depressants which have been known to increase the risk of suicidal ideation in some people.  However it is generally not only that a person has commenced this medication but a number of other events that happen..... a couple of thoughts are -  the family/friends of the person who has started the medication may feel that they can relax a bit now as the person will be fine now or possibly that the person taking the meds may not realise that they need to report any drop in mood to their treater.

Yes doctors are aware of these risks with a small group of anti-depressants which is why when they prescribe any medications to their patients, they ask them to contact them immediately if they experience a drop in mood (or at least, this is the protocol in Australia).



What people need to do is stop taking meds, which kill the libido and start having better sex. Now, don't tell me having full body, multiple orgasms aren't a mood boost. Doctors won't tell you. They want you to take their pills.


You'd be wrong yet again.

Not everyone's mood gets a boost from sex.

I for one can have a mood boost for a few hours after sex, after an orgasm but afterwards I start to crash and my mood can fall so far down that I get even more depressed than before. It's not always but it does happen.

And when I crash..I crash hard.



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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:22:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do understand the benefits of sex subbykat but to say that the cure for mood disorders is good sex is insulting to the many people who struggle with depression or anxiety. You are trivializing the illness. Good diet, exercise and loving relations all help but even then are often not a cure. What you need to do is change your cognitions which can be accomplished with help in many areas.

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RE: self-destructive subs - 4/23/2011 10:26:07 AM   
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What people need to do is stop taking meds, which kill the libido and start having better sex. Now, don't tell me having full body, multiple orgasms aren't a mood boost. Doctors won't tell you. They want you to take their pills.


hmmm  given the opening post in this thread which you made and which I quote below, may I ask how this is working for you Subbykat?

And as far as I know, doctors and psychologists are aware of the benefits of orgasm and the release of chemicals that follows, however many people are not in relationships and the benefits of sexual release can be defeated if someone is seeking casual sex in order to get that high and then beats themselves up afterwards for having had random sex (just one scenario).

what is your answer for people who are having the mind-blowing sex but are still struggling with symptoms of depression?

I definitely am not a proponent of medication for everyone, but I have seen how helpful it can be for people when used as an adjunct to talk therapy (eg. cognitive behavioural therapy), life style changes eg. increase exercise, healthy eating and reduce social isolation and support from family and friends.




It's not just about the sex. That's what you don't understand. It's about having that "heart-connection" with someone. My suggestion is to learn tantra with your partner.
I know I wrote that post when I was really down. I get moody occasionally and become the martyr. It's actually a bad habit I learned in childhood when I didn't get my way. Fortuntely, I have better control of it now than I ever did before, but once in a while, my old "pity me" self arises and if I don't nip it in the bud, it can take over.

But let me tell you something about depression. It's never a permanent state of mind. It's just a state of mind and like any state, it can be changed through learning to better control how you think. Yep, it can be done. But most people train themselves to feel so bad, by replaying the worst events of their lives like pushing the replay and rewind button, it's no wonder they make themselves depressed. I believe in the mind-body connection and I believe that our minds can alter our brain chemistry, in negative or positive way...

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