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The stingy heartless Americans - 4/12/2011 8:38:11 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Next time you folks in Europe feel like calling Americans self center stingy and only thinking of ourselves… Take an hour and watch THIS.

How many of you even knew of the 1921 famine? I didn't until this afternoon...an amazing story of compassion of one people to another

Butch

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:58:03 AM   
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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 9:33:14 AM   
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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 2:45:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		90 years ago. How many of today's Americans were even alive then? 15, maybe 20? 

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 4:46:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		My mother...how many did we feed after WWII...how many do we feed today...who feeds more? Who has ever fed more? Who wants to?

But you are right that was a long time ago… the saving of a country the size of Russia from starvation means nothing… I mean what have we done today? Oh wait

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:06:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look every nation has done good things and bad things, sometimes they have looked in earnest and other times looked the other way, it is what it is and it is history. But of those nations that can act in times of need, it is the administrations that act in the name of their respective country, sometimes this is done with pure thought other times it is done with reward in mind, but what a government does is no measure of the people, for even I know governments quite often do their own thing then try to justify their actions to the people. What matters in life is not the crowd that to all intents and purposes rule you, but how you are as an individual and how you interact with those around you, for that is all that matters, your own immediate sphere of life.

On here, online, the internet, it is a battleground for all kinds of people for one has to remember people can be what they want to be behind the anonymity of a computer screen, that being they can and quite often say what they want and things that they might not say in real life,( picture the most nasty person online and see them ne'er even say boo to a goose in real life, or picture the librarian, it helps), so bear in mind online can be an emotional place full of all sorts of mentalities, but in reality, it means nothing online for only the real world counts.

If people or people in what they say bother you, just ignore them, or if you are feeling particularly vengeful give out what you get, don't let the bastards win without a fight,as exposing idiots is always good sport, for they have a habit of exposing themselves for what they are in the company of others if given enough rope.


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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:38:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know it is a lot to ask for someone to set at a computer for a hour to watch a history documentary. Especially one about something that happened in the 1920’s. It is hard for me to spend 5 minutes watching something posted by Sanity or rule for instance.

This just struck me as something special, that if you watch it, will bring tears to your eyes and make you admire those involved.

It is not just something good a country does now and then it is something that had never happened before or since. It was the greatest gesture of compassion and generosity the world has ever seen….and it was freely given to a country the US was at odds with just to save not only children but adults as well.

Yes it does occasionally bother me when people start talking about percent of GNP or political conditions but on food aid, which is nonexistent in emergency aid and only a small part of foreign aid.

The bottom line no country or world body saves as many starving people as the US and I am only talking public aid not private which often equals or exceeds public aid.

One day history will judge and just maybe the US will not be so ugly after all.

Butch

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:42:21 PM   
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90 years ago. How many of today's Americans were even alive then? 15, maybe 20? 


More than were alive when we took the country from the indians or allowed slavery, but that doesn't stop people from throwing it up at any opportune moment. How is this different?


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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I have a big chip on my shoulder against yanks who know nothing about their history or Canada's, who were neutral in WWII for two years and fueled up German U-boats that would slaughter my countrymen. Who know nothing about their invading Canada twice, and being repelled twice. Who claim the lightbulb was invented by Edison, who had only bought the patent from two starving University of Toronto men.
But, when there is a world disaster, who is one of the first countries in with money and supplies?
Yanks.
Sure, they have the lowest G20 rate of taxation, and still they prick about it. Sure, they fear $5/gallon gas, which we've been paying for years. Sure, they're too pig-ignorant to pay for healthcare and university education.
But we think of them, like the title of the famous book by Aislin, as 'The Retarded Giant' underneath us: sometimes violent, strong, clumsy, reactionary and otnay ootay ightbray, but sometimes really, really sweet.
And some of my best friends [and lovers] are American :-)

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:50:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		History tends to go down the memory hole Butch.   Tough crowd here tonight.

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:50:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol...you invaded us and got your ass kicked as well...but I still like you guys... Hell a lot of you were Americans first. But really if I had to pick another nation to pledge allegiance to it would be Canada. I appreciate the friendship and support over the years.

Butch

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:52:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is my fault... I started it wrong...I should have just encouraged the watching of the video and kept my beliefs out of it.

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 5:59:05 PM   
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It is my fault... I started it wrong...I should have just encouraged the watching of the video and kept my beliefs out of it.


The title is abit -- asking for a fight...  many here wont look at links- even when they are text.  So a brief text summary would have helped.

Famines are a serous issue.  Deep down we all know that.   The US is currently in 3 wars-  so - us bring cheer to the world at the moment is a non-starter.

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 6:09:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The US is a great nation founded on great ideals, far better I believe than my own country in many respects, but I believe there are many within the US that are bringing it down, dumbing it down and winding up the people until the ugliness is all anyone else around the world sees, for it is known people tend to seek the negative before they admire the positive.

From this little group of islands off the coast of Europe, America is big on our horizon, what happens in America is important to us because of the ancient ties and special relationships, so we watch what is happening over there and much that is coming out is not that wholesome anymore and there making me personally think again about my childhood dream to live in America, for much of what I see positively scares me, which is not a good thing to feel about such a great nation of people with so much potential.

Now maybe it was when I became politically aware, I remember Carter as your first President, then the next I remember was the old gung ho western actor Reagan whom the Brits took the piss out of for the fun of it ;

An audience with Ronald Reagan

Then there was Clinton, he seemed pretty inocuous and I met him once, he was like the grey man if it was not for his cocksucking exploits, then came the Bush blur, first one, then another and the last of these two was what I believe has caused the most damage to American society, for with him all the shit we know now was fermented, although all his predecessors did their bit, perhaps it was just he that reaped the reactions, but his reaction I believe was not good for US society as a whole, because it has taught the Americans to fear and when people fear they are at their most dangerous and are the most malleable.


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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 6:55:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		We all have warts but ours are made of sugar......Our women are the most beautiful...our men are bigger faster stronger...our music and entertainment copied...and we lead the world in social and industrial innovation...now I just can't understand why people call us ugly Americans......ignore the little photo to the left.

Dam it... know your place and worship us...just not our spelling.

Butch

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 7:02:17 PM   
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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 7:04:23 PM   
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you wanted a pat on the back

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I thought his name was Butch...


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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 7:25:49 PM   
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We all have warts but ours are made of sugar......Our women are the most beautiful...our men are bigger faster stronger...our music and entertainment copied...and we lead the world in social and industrial innovation...now I just can't understand why people call us ugly Americans......ignore the little photo to the left.

Dam it... know your place and worship us...just not our spelling.

Butch


Yes and all that came from a new country, America has the right to be proud of itself, but don't rest on your laurels for whilst you are napping others will pass you by.

America is a world country, probably the only country in the world that has at least one representative of all the world's countries in one country, it is so diverse, a nation of the world, the first globalised country perhaps, but the ancient nasties are still with you therefore perhaps for the good of America, America as a people individually need to address the evil within you so as a nation America can stand out up and above all, it has not just got to be a leader in the things you mentioned,  nor has it to be a world military superpower for it has to be different from the places all the immigrants left behind, all the old hatreds and animosities banished or else why is the new land any better than that the ancestors turned their backs on.




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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 7:29:17 PM   
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There is alot of concern here in the US.  The power structure seems to have run amuck.

I want to be cautiously optimistic...    

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RE: The stingy heartless Americans - 4/13/2011 7:32:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it seems you have repeated what your ancestors left behind, the question is, was it inevitable, or did you lose the way somewhere along the path.

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