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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 1:27:50 PM   
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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 1:28:55 PM   
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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:12:35 PM   
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If your granny is eating dog food, you need to get over there and show her how to grocery shop. Maybe show her how to plan meals and watch for sales. Personally I have met tons of poor people and none of them had to resort to dog food. Beans and rice, yea. But never dog food.


You get the point, I get the point, and I think almost everyone in the world gets "the point".


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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:21:03 PM   
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Why does everyone want to mess with the elderly? If we had privatized SS, how many of them would be destitute now after the market crash? And now there is a call to privatize Medicare?

Leave these people alone. They worked hard. What kills me is these decisions are being made by men and women who have healthcare... and damn good care it is.


Seniors dont have that... well most dont. Why arent they offered something similar? Oh wait, this is what the Republicans are so dead set against, saying it will lead to death panels and inflation. If its so damn bad, why arent they turning it down too?


Wonderful post tazzy!
If we are this damn desperate, maybe we need a whole new "system".
Taking from the elderly and disabled is a sign of desperation, maybe just maybe we have lost the "game".

Eventually, many will understand that we need a new game and new rules.

A new day is coming.

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:29:11 PM   
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Maybe the government should control all our money, seeing how we are too stupid...

Actually, I think its rml who keeps bragging about how far up the market is, so that statement isnt exactly factual, the markets go up and down and even the government seems to be headed for a crash and burn of its own, hoard aluminum...

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how many of them would be destitute now after the market crash?


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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:33:27 PM   
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Maybe the government should control all our money, seeing how we are too stupid...

Actually, I think its rml who keeps bragging about how far up the market is, so that statement isnt exactly factual, the markets go up and down and even the government seems to be headed for a crash and burn of its own, hoard aluminum...

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how many of them would be destitute now after the market crash?



I almost agree with you, except let the people keep at least 50% and throw in a great national health care plan.
A system or marriage between capitalism and socialism is the only viable answer that I have seen for some time now.

Corporations and the government have fucked us all and sold our collectives asses to China and down the river.
Are you willing to capitalism as we know it, is a failure?

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:39:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		tazzy I've found many references to cuts...but no particulars...same with Obama...talk but no particulars....perhaps my google skills are lacking...seems sorta dumb to argue when many don't know what they are arguing about.

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:45:25 PM   
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That was tongue in cheek Marini, Im floored that you took that seriously. Why do you, why would anyone believe that governmental control would be better  than capitalism in any way. Government also has the army and the police and prisons, throw in the hospitals (and especially the mental hospitals) and make it our employer as well, and our grocer, our nanny and our school teacher, and so on... and you are a turkey putting its head on a chopping block.

The politicians and bureaucrats have absolute control in a situation like that, and there is no escape, and the sad part is that it happens. Thats what Iraq was like under Saddam, thats what Cuba and North Korea are like, each a "workers paradise". Peoples this and peoples that, everyone is kept in line for the greater good - of the dictator.


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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:48:42 PM   
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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:50:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tazzy I've found many references to cuts...but no particulars...same with Obama...talk but no particulars....perhaps my google skills are lacking...seems sorta dumb to argue when many don't know what they are arguing about.

Butch



Hiya Butch,
Here are a few links that I think are informative:

Proposed GOP cuts would turn medicare into subsidy program

Keeping medicare and medicaid strong

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:54:30 PM   
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tazzy I've found many references to cuts...but no particulars...same with Obama...talk but no particulars....perhaps my google skills are lacking...seems sorta dumb to argue when many don't know what they are arguing about.

Butch

The Ryan budget
http://budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PathToProsperityFY2012.pdf

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 3:55:31 PM   
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That was tongue in cheek Marini, Im floored that you took that seriously. Why do you, why would anyone believe that governmental control would be better  than capitalism in any way. Government also has the army and the police and prisons, throw in the hospitals (and especially the mental hospitals) and make it our employer as well, and our grocer, our nanny and our school teacher, and so on... and you are a turkey putting its head on a chopping block.

The politicians and bureaucrats have absolute control in a situation like that, and there is no escape, and the sad part is that it happens. Thats what Iraq was like under Saddam, thats what Cuba and North Korea are like, each a "workers paradise". Peoples this and peoples that, everyone is kept in line for the greater good - of the dictator.



Sanity, the model that I proposed again was a combination/blend of capitalism and socialism.
I am thinking of models like Canada, HARDLY Cuba and North Korea, don't get it twisted.
Capitalism is failing in this country, if you don't see that now, perhaps you will in a few years.

Sanity, start reading articles like this, and be set free.
Capitalism is Failing Because it can't monetize work

This country is sliding downhill and evenutally it is going to crash and I hope it doesn't burn.

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 4:14:16 PM   
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Politicians always want more and more power, youve got to fight for your liberty and guard it with our life because once you let it slip away its extremely difficult to ever get it back. Socialism creeps, politicians reach for more control "for the good of the children" or 'for the elderly" etc. Every manufactured and hyped crisis is an opportunity for the politicians to grab more power...

In Canada theyve outlawed Fox News according to a few of the free speech hating leftists who post here, they think thats wonderful because they believe it best when the government controls speech... for the good of the people. No dissent is tolerated, they call it hate speech or they call it whatever they have to in order to ban it, for the peoples good.  of course.

Look at how leftists here hate Rush Limbaugh, myself, or anyone who speaks against or disagrees with their policies, with their ideology. Really focus on all the hate threads trashing right wingers personally... not their policies, them personally. There is no controlling socialism, primarily because it doesnt work for a variety of reasons and the socialists believe its only because they dont have quite enough power, quite enough control - and so they seek, they demand more. They riot, they threaten, they grow more totalitarian and more psychotic over time. Look at Hugo Chavez or Google Europe austerity for a glimpse of Canadas future. Canada is evolving, its not there yet but its on its way, as are we.

Think - how can socialism possibly work? Government cant give everything away when government doesnt produce anything, and since things have to be produced how can government force people to work? And people dont tend to value what they havent worked for, and earned...




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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 4:17:05 PM   
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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 4:21:28 PM   
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Leftists cant post on topic, at least most cant. The very best most of them have to offer are their silly ad hominems, "oh my gawd yoo made a typo" attacks, their flaky strawman arguments etc. They cant argue a point, most of them, if their lives depend on it.

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 4:29:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for a very well thought out reply.
I agree with many of the points that you have made.
The ability to have a conversation and/or listen to people with different points of views, does appear difficult for many.

Many people even in real life, prefer to surround themselves with "yes" men, and can't relate to others who view life differently.

I can't explain others hostility or hateful ways, especially online.
Personally, I think of many on here as trying real hard to be "the cool kids".
They think it's "cool" to trash people, especially online.
Many of these "cool kids" would not dare say a lot of this crap to your face or anyone else's face, in real life.


I left high school many years ago, and I have never been much of a follower.

I rarely, and I do mean rarely agree with you, but as long as you are civil to me, I am able to be civil to you.

I actually admire the way you can fight 80% of the board, and I think you enjoy it.
It doesn't appear to get you down, and I like the fact that you don't need a bunch of "online" cronies to help or back you up.

You can fight them all by yourself.
lol

I think many here seem to live to fight with you, and look for you and smile when you show up!
I get to fight again today with Sanity!!
yippie kay yay!!!!
I admire anyone that can stand their ground, and fight ALONE.

You just need to see the light, change your entire outlook and get a few spankings.


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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 4:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Things are not sliding down hill. they will rebound just like they always do. Pretty soon people will realize that this is a global market place and capitalism is the name of the game.

Since the beginning of time people have cried out, "This time it is different!" Things may change but forward progress has really never been deterred.

why is capitalism failing? It is working exactly as it should.

Capitalists are crying foul that U.S. jobs are going overseas? They obviously don't understand how capitalism works.

It is preordained that our economy must take a hit while those around us start to emerge.

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 4:33:37 PM   
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Tom, I like you, but the reason the majority of people don't care for you is due to the fact that you are a tool.

The sky is blue, Obama is black and you are a tool.

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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 4:35:24 PM   
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In Canada theyve outlawed Fox News according to a few of the free speech hating leftists who post here, they think thats wonderful because they believe it best when the government controls speech... for the good of the people. No dissent is tolerated, they call it hate speech or they call it whatever they have to in order to ban it, for the peoples good. of course.


You even lie like a politician
no one has outlawed fox news here, and no one has declared otherwise
you know damn well none of that is a factual statement in any way whatsoever




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RE: Why does the GOP want granny to have to eat dogfood... - 4/14/2011 4:57:04 PM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_3629725/tm.htm#

based off of Hlen5's thread based on the fact in which she quotes Robert F Kenedy Jr saying it.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3624835/tm.htm#

and rfk jrs peice was posted on hundreds of left wing blogs.....

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