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Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/14/2011 9:26:08 PM   
pyroaquatic


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and I discovered quite a lovely female belly dancer named Sadie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FzDXvYAKEA&feature=related

It had me thinking...

how many Lovely Dominant Ladies would be ecstatic to find out a potential male sub knows or is the process of learning belly dancing?

I find a severe lack of male belly dancers disturbing. I found a decent one here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q3xr3BNZxo&feature=related

What would be the benefits?

One last question...

Is the art of belly dancing a dominant or submissive act and why?

Thank You!


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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/14/2011 9:30:38 PM   
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I don't believe in the concept of 'Dominant acts' or 'submissive acts'.  It's not in My nature.

A male sub who knows how to entice Me through the art of dance.  Yummy!


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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/14/2011 9:34:19 PM   
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Noted LadyPact.

I was viddying Sadie and the first thought that popped in my head was how intoxicating the allure of a female that commands the music so!


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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/14/2011 10:00:40 PM   
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There seems to be more than a few men in the tribal fusion bellydancing crowd... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuwHKMXGn-Y&feature=related

The benefits...goodness, just watch and you tell me. There's something amazingly sensual and sexy about a man who is so in touch with his body and is able to express his sensuality so freely....yummmmm!!

Watch the wiggle

Look at that smile

You tell me whether or not Rachid is having fun expressing his talent.

As for the dominant/submissive act question...does it matter? It's an act of expression.

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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/14/2011 10:15:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh

There seems to be more than a few men in the tribal fusion bellydancing crowd... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuwHKMXGn-Y&feature=related

The benefits...goodness, just watch and you tell me. There's something amazingly sensual and sexy about a man who is so in touch with his body and is able to express his sensuality so freely....yummmmm!!

Watch the wiggle

Look at that smile

You tell me whether or not Rachid is having fun expressing his talent.

As for the dominant/submissive act question...does it matter? It's an act of expression.


Incredible, so delectable and edible like a cereal of ambrosia and nectar. Yum indeed.

I've been looking for more male belly dancers that have some decent talent. Rachid is by far one of the best I have seen in terms of technical skill, sensuality, and grace.

That smile tells me he KNOWS he is a bucket of sex.

:3 <rawr)

I read a youtube comment on one video about how 'gross' male belly dancers were. Supposedly it was developed as a fertility dance for females in preparation of delivering a child into the world.

From what I can see it may help on both sides. :D


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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/14/2011 10:39:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

and I discovered quite a lovely female belly dancer named Sadie.


Greetings,

Sadie is awesome. i have some of her things and a few others. If you'd like suggestions feel free to ask. :)

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What would be the benefits?


In my opinion creative movement is very sensual and adds a degree of elegance and extension to the practitioner's gait. There are numerous benefits for undertaking dance and i wholeheartedly recommend it. However, is this is something that you're sincerely interested in learning or merely a skill you're seeking to cultivate as a benefit to a future Owner?

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Is the art of belly dancing a dominant or submissive act and why?


In my opinion the online community routinely seeks to pigeonhole behaviors into neat little piles that rarely fit. The act in itself is neither dominant nor submissive, but its intent and utilization are the real determining factors. As such, a female dominant that engages in belly dance most certainly isn't submitting when doing so. But she may provide a service to her property by enticing him with her movements and generating a specific response that suits her purposes. In the same vain, the slave may perform for his Keeper's benefit or entertain a small group at her behest. In the situation mentioned he's providing a service. Both can and do serve. Neither behavior diminishes their respective roles.

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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/14/2011 11:08:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

However, is this is something that you're sincerely interested in learning or merely a skill you're seeking to cultivate as a benefit to a future Owner?



I would say both porcelaine. I love to move. Kinostethia in many forms-ballet, yoga, breakdancing, belly dancing, dancing in general-is a keen interest on mine on a few levels.

My life is filled with clumsiness on an epic scale. So by a conscious choice I decided to learn how to be more graceful and less clumsy. I am no virtuoso in the realm of dance but at least I am not having as many accidents as I used to.

In addition to personal reasons I also feel it would greatly add to my list of random things I can do to please a potential Owner which would in turn please me. 'Cause I am so selfish. :3

So I can sort of belly dance but now I feel I want formal training. Ah there is only so much time and so many things I wish to do to improve my self.
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quote:

Is the art of belly dancing a dominant or submissive act and why?


In my opinion the online community routinely seeks to pigeonhole behaviors into neat little piles that rarely fit. The act in itself is neither dominant nor submissive, but its intent and utilization are the real determining factors. As such, a female dominant that engages in belly dance most certainly isn't submitting when doing so. But she may provide a service to her property by enticing him with her movements and generating a specific response that suits her purposes. In the same vain, the slave may perform for his Keeper's benefit or entertain a small group at her behest. In the situation mentioned he's providing a service. Both can and do serve. Neither behavior diminishes their respective roles.

Namaste,

~porcelaine


True how true. The dance is a dance but the intent is precious.


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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/15/2011 5:32:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

Incredible, so delectable and edible like a cereal of ambrosia and nectar. Yum indeed.

I've been looking for more male belly dancers that have some decent talent. Rachid is by far one of the best I have seen in terms of technical skill, sensuality, and grace.

That smile tells me he KNOWS he is a bucket of sex.

:3 <rawr)

I read a youtube comment on one video about how 'gross' male belly dancers were. Supposedly it was developed as a fertility dance for females in preparation of delivering a child into the world.

From what I can see it may help on both sides. :D



"a cereal of ambrosia and nectar"....Indeed!

Here's a bit referencing the history of men as bellydancers you might find interesting....

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-History-of-Male-Belly-Dancing&id=5361233

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And available documents show that men have been doing belly dancing, which can be gleaned from folk dancing, or what's known as "raqs baladi" in Arabic. Male belly dancing is most particularly familiar, historically in Turkey. During the long history of the Ottoman Empire, "rakkas" or male belly dancers supplied the need for Ottoman men to watch something visually artistic and pleasing - as women were generally not around during social and entertainment life. Rakkas maybe either "kocek (or kocheks)" or "tavsan oglan," most of which, even to-date, maybe seen performing during Ramadan.

The Koceks, who would usually wear women's garb, and with long, flowing hair were described as: "young boys who were sensuous, attractive, effeminate, and carefully trained in music and dance. Their dancing was sexually provocative and impersonated female dancers. It incorporated ladylike walking, finger snapping (a special two-handed finger snap), slow belly movements, suggestive gestures, acrobatics, and playing wooden clappers called calpara or, in later times, metal cymbals called zils. The boys danced as long as they stayed good looking and could hide their beards. The dancing boys were an acceptable substitute for the prohibited women dancers." They faded into relative obscurity after they were officially banned in 1856.


Ironic that the men/boys were seen as "substitutes for the prohibited women dancers".


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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/15/2011 8:04:04 AM   
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DDDAAAAAaaaaauuuuuuummmmm.....

#1 - 3% body fat
#2 - Huge amount of work
#3 - Pure sex

That is just so yummy!  I love how he does the hip and torso shimmy and shake movements of female dancer, but most of his dance is from the waist up - especially with his arms and hands!  He is to my eyes both feminine and masculine at the same time - I find it a beautiful blending!

Thank you so much for sharing this!  :)

EDITED to add:  Sign me up for classes!


< Message edited by OttersSwim -- 4/15/2011 8:14:02 AM >


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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/15/2011 8:21:28 AM   
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Pyro, I am stealing this wonderful topic to share with my group on Fet...hope you don't mind.   

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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/15/2011 8:30:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

I would say both porcelaine. I love to move. Kinostethia in many forms-ballet, yoga, breakdancing, belly dancing, dancing in general-is a keen interest on mine on a few levels.


That's wonderful! i had a sneaking suspicion it was a combination of the two. i began dancing as a child and rekindled my interest several years ago when i began a serious study of Hinduism. In a roundabout way it reawakened that passion and introduced me to the Indian style of classical dance bharatanatyam which is very balletic and filled with sacred expressions. That is the form i desire to learn in the future.

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In addition to personal reasons I also feel it would greatly add to my list of random things I can do to please a potential Owner which would in turn please me. 'Cause I am so selfish. :3


Sometimes our motivations are selfishly inclined at the onset and they take on a different meaning over time. my interest in belly dancing is derived from an appreciation of Egyptian culture and religion. This subject much like studies in geisha are private passions that wield notable skills for a prospective Keeper. If you're feeling extra creative you may wish to explore Japanese kabuki to add to your repertoire.

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So I can sort of belly dance but now I feel I want formal training. Ah there is only so much time and so many things I wish to do to improve my self.


Yes! Sometimes it feel as if i'll run out of time. But i'm determined to do what i can and i've streamlined the list just a wee bit to allow for future additions.

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True how true. The dance is a dance but the intent is precious.


i couldn't have said it better myself.

Namaste,

~porcelaine

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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/15/2011 8:43:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic
how many Lovely Dominant Ladies would be ecstatic to find out a potential male sub knows or is the process of learning belly dancing?


Oh fuck yeah.

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Is the art of belly dancing a dominant or submissive act and why?


Neither.  It's just an art.  It can very easily be put into a submissive context, but it can also be put into a dominant context if the dancer is the aggressive seducer or seductrix whose power comes from being overwhelmingly sexually attractive.  Not my archetype personally, but it seems to work for others.


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RE: Poking about the Youtube Universe... - 4/15/2011 9:52:25 AM   
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Hello Everybody,

I must confess that belly dancing is a bit out side my experience. Should my mistress command, I would learn and learn well. That being said, I have never danced FOR somebody either for entertainment or enticement/seduction.

DID SOMEBODY MENTION SEDUCTION? Oh good! That brings me to my next point.

I have a modicum of experience dancing WITH somebody. I find it to be intimate, sensuous and an exercise in trust. Think about that. Two people consent to allow the other well with-in arms reach of themselves. Speaking for me, I am VERY AWARE of the woman so deep into my personal space. Usually, I like it!

Okay, let me get to the seduction part. When I go out to dance, it's just to dance. I am gentleman. Women learn to trust me on the dance floor. Then, women learn to enjoy being with me on the dance floor. Then, every once in a while, an insightful woman learns that she can enjoy being with me... well... somewhere else....

I am sorry. I have strayed off of the subject and I want to address a part of it.

Is belly dancing dominant or submissive? YES!
Suppose that my mistress orders me to dance for her. Yes, I am submissive to her orders; but, deeper she IS the dominant and I AM her submissive. Now let's look at the other side of the question. Suppose that my Mistress performs the "Dance of the Seven Veils" As she removes each veil she drapes it in front of my shoulders and behind my neck. She removes the last veil and I can view all of her womanly charms. She tightens all of the veils and draws me to my feet. My already turgid body grows harder still as she tightens this leash of veils. My blood deprived mind can only wonder at the pleasures that my blood engorged body know as my Mistress leads me to the... SAINT ANDREW'S CROSS Don't tell me that wasn't dominant. You'd be mistaking me for someone who believes you!

Respectfully to All,
Mike
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