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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 1:05:56 PM

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You could have what is called a hydrostatic lock. If the water got into the air intake it might be in the cylinders and as you know water cannot be compressed. If that's the case you need to remove all the spark plugs and crank the engine until all the water has squirted out of the holes.

However FIRST check the oil, if the level is high, which is likely, there is water in the crankcase. If so drain it. Save a couple bucks and figure out how to separate the oil and throw it back in without the water. If you can't get it separated just pickup a gallon of the cheapest oil you can find.

If the engine won't crank with the spark plugs removed the starter is probably damaged. Unless it has sat for a long time the engine should not be locked up. If you can get wrench on the crank pulley bolt, try to turn it with the plugs out. If it will turn you need a starter. If it won't turn take off the belt(s) and try again, if the crank will then turn one of the driven components is likely locked up. Most likely the alternator but it could be anything.

Water will not wreck the engine unless it sits there so long it rusts the parts, or if it gets pumped by the oilpump* into the bearings. If you got clean oil and no water in the cylinders you just run it, get it nice and warm (normal operating temperature) and the rest of the water will boil off. Water does not automatically kill an engine, what does is antifreeze, usually through a leaking head gasket. The ethylene glycol ruins the bearings, but there is no reason to think this happened here.

I would really try to save any car these days, they want thousands for junk shitcans these days. I'm looking for a car right now and I just refuse to pay the prices. I have conceded that I am going to have to buy something broken down and fix it up. The days of getting a decent beater for $500 are over.

And I agree that drowning her would give rise to too much suscpicion, strangling would be much better.

* oilpump IS one word in my family :-)

ETA : areallive..., I didn't see your post at first. Sounds like you know what you're doing. The only difference is that I wouldn't put the oil into the cylinders, the rest of the water will burn off in seconds once the thing starts.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 2:46:56 PM

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No problem my man. Water might wash away the oil from the rings, a little oil would help reestablish compression. Where's that thread about the WWII German bomber in the Channel. Let's pull THAT up and get it running............

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 2:48:32 PM

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I would dig into your wallet for a few thousand, if the car is worth it, take it to a dealer. Besides the engine no doubt the transmission, differential, and wheel bearings need fluid and grease changing.

Or just get it started and sell immediately...

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 3:12:48 PM

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"Water might wash away the oil from the rings, a little oil would help reestablish compression"

True, but that oil should be pumped up there soon enough IMO. If I were doing it and used oil in the cylinders I would run hot plugs in it for a while. The last thing you want to do is replace catalytic. In fact if it sits too long it might need hot plugs now, forever.

"Where's that thread about the WWII German bomber in the Channel. Let's pull THAT up and get it running............ "

Is that salt water ? If so I wouldn't bank on it. However in fresh water it might be worth a crack. If that's a fuel injected radial engine, I would love to take a crack at it.

I got a funny about water and engines. Many years ago the olman had this shitcan PU truck, a Datsun with an inline four or six, not sure. Apparently it needed a head gasket, and we didn't need any tools to figure this out. One day filling the radiator with water (from a garden hose) the water started coming up through the carbeurator. I noticed it and said "I think it's full".

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 4:58:32 PM

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I don't want anyone to think I didn't appreciate all the advice....other issues took me away from the car though..so what will happen is it will sit another day,giving it a chance to "dry out" a little more...and tomorrow(yes I know this means she drives my car to work...ughhh)I will ,as well as my meager mechanical skills will take me,take it apart as per the advice received(and that I am thankful for) and see what shakes out.
Again thanks.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 5:23:35 PM

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Over the hood? You're not going to dry that out from a day in the sun. You need to wipe down the distributor cap/plugs. Get the oil and air filters out. They are probably just keeping moisture trapped in the housings.

(Over the hood? Really?????)

Every Pontiac that I've ever owned (granted, some models from a decade ago) could trace every starting problem back to the brain box. I had the worst luck with them.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 5:56:50 PM

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Please see post wherein I mentioned this sister penchant for dramatic embellishment.....lol.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 6:15:10 PM

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Could tell her to just trash the car....it is just a Pontiac after all.....

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 6:18:35 PM

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Please see post wherein I mentioned this sister penchant for dramatic embellishment.....lol.

No offense meant to you on this, mike, but even folks with less automotive knowledge than Me usually know the car won't double as a submarine.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 6:37:15 PM

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Please see post wherein I mentioned this sister penchant for dramatic embellishment.....lol.

Write this down.

I am telling you this.

Phone her DRs office- they can not talk to you- but you can talk to them. Have them place a note in the file that her driving competence is questionable.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 6:38:54 PM

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The days of getting a decent beater for $500 are over./snip

Yup. My friend was quoted $350 to junk a car... my brother said $400 happens these days.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 7:26:53 PM

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quote:

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Please see post wherein I mentioned this sister penchant for dramatic embellishment.....lol.

No offense meant to you on this, mike, but even folks with less automotive knowledge than Me usually know the car won't double as a submarine.

Believe me,I take no offense,nor responsibility for my sisters lack of......well,sense .I will tell you that I have spent a great deal of time this last 24 hrs disabusing her of the lies the salesman apparently told her in regard to the aquatic properties of a Pontiac.....lol.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 7:38:56 PM

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No offense meant to you on this, mike, but even folks with less automotive knowledge than Me usually know the car won't double as a submarine.

Oh, I don't know about that, LP. Some years ago, when I was living in SLO and the floods were really bad, the Paso Robles fire chief decided (being a firefighter and all) that he could drive his car across a flooded street.

The pics of him on top of the car (which had washed down 200 feet and come to rest against a boulder) and the subsequent rescue, performed by his own squad, were on the front page of the paper the next morning. Poor booger never did live it down

ETA- To make things worse, it was his Dept issue car. TPTB were not amused.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 7:41:18 PM

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 7:49:34 PM

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Even supposing a one time use only submarine...one would expect it to maintain it's watertight integrity...if only for that one trip.This particular "sub" did not,apparently,do so

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 8:10:39 PM

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I doubt it was over the hood. Once the water is more than 12" high, the car will float away on the currents. People drown here every year in the spring floods when they insist on driving through flooded roads. Now that there are signs everywhere saying the fee for saving such idiots is $10,000 a lot less cars insist on going through.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 8:12:59 PM

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Is the car equipped with a life jacket?

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/17/2011 8:13:20 PM

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not a mechanic at all, but have owned a lot of crappy cars in my day. if it only clicks when you turn it over, my guess would be the solonoid (sp?)

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/18/2011 5:01:45 AM

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Look people, y'all with the wires and shit. Let me tell you something, since about 1990 or earlier if the engine is not hot you should be able to take a hose and wash it down WHILE IT IS RUNNING. If you cannot do that something is wrong. Got it ?

You can open the hood (bonnet) in a heavy rainstorm and it should not stall. Get it ? That is how cars are now, they are not like old Dodges. They are not like a 1966 Chevy that had the distributer in the back so water wouldn't hit it. The electrical system in most cases will operate SUBMERGED. What you need is air for the crankcae pulled in by the PCV valve, and air for combustion, pulled in by the throttle body. That is all.

Forget the wires. If you can't dump a bucket of water on a cold started engine now and not have it stall then you have a problem with the wires. Until then, realize that insulation is that good, and has been since the mid 1980s.

Either the starter is locked up, there is water in the cylinders or something running off the belt is locked up. It is that simple. Unless there was a preexisting condition, not one wire will need to replaced.

Get it got it good.

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RE: Need some advice,car troubles - 4/18/2011 5:33:19 AM

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hydrolocked. gotta remove the plugs and turn engine over without them for about a minute. dry the plugs with some brake cleaner and reinstall. (she may have damaged the engine as water doesn't compress and when it got in , the engine was turning and trying to keep on turning)

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