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lickenforyou -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 1:49:52 PM)

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Being superior, or inferior, implies you know the skill sets and knowledge of everyone


What do you base this on? That is an incorrect definition of superior.



Rule -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 1:49:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: paulmcuk
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ORIGINAL: Rule
It so happens that Santa Claus does exist - at least in my perception of the concept.

A reasonable definition of religious faith.

In your perception, not in mine. Concepts are continuously reinvented throughout human history. Santa Claus simply is a reinvention of one of the pagan gods of old.

To many people because of their flawed perceptions of the nature of Santa Claus and of the pagan gods Santa Claus is a mumbo-jumbo fairy tale. To me, being quite knowledgeable in mythology and folklore, it is familiar territory. (Of course being Dutch I have more information available to me than other peoples. Ours is called Sinterklaas and our contemporary one was preceded by another one: zwarte Sinterklaas (black Santa Claus), and on the island of Texel there is still Ouwe Sunderklaas (Old Santa Claus). (I have never experienced the Ouwe Sunderklaas party, though, despite being born fairly close near the island.)



Rule -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 2:01:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: paulmcuk
If you don't use knowledge to judge the likelihood of truth, what do you use?

You err in supposing that knowledge - i.e. facts - is the issue. It isn't. What always is at issue is the interpretation of the facts. Interpretations are fallible.

What I use? Answer: supergenius. Religious / spiritual people might call it instead Divine inspiration. Of course I do require facts and sometimes extensive knowledge to arrive at a truth. I excel at it. I do not excel in the follow up, i.e. the scientific method.



tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 3:01:28 PM)

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That is an incorrect definition of superior.


Definition of SUPERIOR
1: situated higher up : upper
2: of higher rank, quality, or importance
3: courageously or serenely indifferent (as to something painful or disheartening)
4a : greater in quantity or numbers <escaped by superior speed> b : excellent of its kind : better <her superior memory>
5: being a superscript
6a of an animal structure : situated above or anterior or dorsal to another and especially a corresponding part <a superior artery> b of a plant structure : situated above or near the top of another part: as (1) of a calyx : attached to and apparently arising from the ovary (2) of an ovary : free from the calyx or other floral envelope
7: more comprehensive <a genus is superior to a species>
8: affecting or assuming an air of superiority : supercilious

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superior

Definition of ARROGANCE
: an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumption

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogance?show=0&t=1304891547

The definitions were used correctly.

Feelings of superiority are based upon many things. Race, money, power, looks, knowledge and morality to name a few.

Which one of these are you basing your superiority complex upon?

Now, if you wish to talk about a psychological disorder....



thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 3:25:12 PM)

I had to click the link to see if they used his pic as a superior example of arrogance[8D]



tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 4:00:58 PM)

LOL



lickenforyou -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 4:07:50 PM)

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Being superior, or inferior, implies you know the skill sets and knowledge of everyone
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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That is an incorrect definition of superior.


Definition of SUPERIOR
1: situated higher up : upper
2: of higher rank, quality, or importance
3: courageously or serenely indifferent (as to something painful or disheartening)
4a : greater in quantity or numbers <escaped by superior speed> b : excellent of its kind : better <her superior memory>
5: being a superscript
6a of an animal structure : situated above or anterior or dorsal to another and especially a corresponding part <a superior artery> b of a plant structure : situated above or near the top of another part: as (1) of a calyx : attached to and apparently arising from the ovary (2) of an ovary : free from the calyx or other floral envelope
7: more comprehensive <a genus is superior to a species>
8: affecting or assuming an air of superiority : supercilious

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superior


Where does that definition back up your assertion that superior means that - "you know the skill sets and knowledge of everyone?" Or, that being superior means you don't need other people? These are things you said, but no where in the definitions you posted does it say or even indicate that. 



tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 6:49:42 PM)

You are the one who claims Im using that as a definition.

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Where does that definition back up your assertion that superior means that - "you know the skill sets and knowledge of everyone?" Or, that being superior means you don't need other people? These are things you said, but no where in the definitions you posted does it say or even indicate that.


Of course these are things I have said. These are also things I have witnessed.

"The superiority complex is one of the ways which a person with an inferiority [feeling] complex may use as a method of escape from his difficulties. He assumes that he is superior when he is not, and this false success compensates him for the state of inferiority which he cannot bear. The normal person does not have a superiority complex, he does not even have a sense of superiority. He has the striving to be superior in the sense that we all have ambition to be successful; but so long as this striving is expressed in work it does not lead to false valuations, which are at the root of mental disease."

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Behaviors related to this in a superiority complex may include an exaggerated opinion of one’s worth and abilities, unrealistically high expectations in goals and achievements for oneself and others, persistent attempts to correct others (regardless of whether or not they are actually correct), a tendency to discredit others' opinions and over-forcefulness aimed at dominating those considered as weaker or less important. While behaviors related to this in an inferiority complex may include exaggeration of one’s worth and abilities to others, vanity, extravagant dressing (intent on drawing attention), excessive need for competition, pride, over-sentimentality and affected exaltation, snobbishness, a tendency to discredit others' opinions and over-forcefulness aimed at dominating those who threaten their image of superiority. In both cases the conscious awareness of one's delusion typically results in a temporal phenomenon called cognitive dissonance, which may or may not serve the purpose of bringing that person back "down to earth".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex




lickenforyou -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 8:52:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You are the one who claims Im using that as a definition.



You wrote "Being superior means you dont need people" and "you know the skill sets and knowledge of everyone."That is how you defined what being superior is. That is the basis for your argument that one human cannot be superior to another. However, the definition of superior that you posted doesn't back that up. So, that argument is false. We have to agree on the definition of words before we can have an intelligent discussion.



tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 9:04:14 PM)

licken, I adore the two step you love to dance. I have answered every question you have posed.. even the stupid ones. Return the favor or drop it.



tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 9:06:53 PM)

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You wrote "Being superior means you dont need people" and "you know the skill sets and knowledge of everyone."That is how you defined what being superior is. That is the basis for your argument that one human cannot be superior to another. However, the definition of superior that you posted doesn't back that up. So, that argument is false. We have to agree on the definition of words before we can have an intelligent discussion.


And here you are again, trying to demean a discussion you began by stating you were superior to me.

Again, on what basis do you believe that?



lickenforyou -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 10:34:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You wrote "Being superior means you dont need people" and "you know the skill sets and knowledge of everyone."That is how you defined what being superior is. That is the basis for your argument that one human cannot be superior to another. However, the definition of superior that you posted doesn't back that up. So, that argument is false. We have to agree on the definition of words before we can have an intelligent discussion.


And here you are again, trying to demean a discussion you began by stating you were superior to me.

Again, on what basis do you believe that?


I didn't demean the discussion. I asked you to explain why you think superior means not needing other people. You also gave examples of rational thought that were incorrect, indicating that they were poorly thought out.

Also I never said that i WAS superior to you. I said "if  you don't understand the not having to prove a negative thing, then I am superior to you." And, I already said that I was being facetious.

However, your lack of understanding, and misuse, of words and phrases leads me to believe that I probably am intellectually superior to you. Being male I am probably physically superior to you in strength and speed. You may be superior to me in some ways, I don't know.




tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 10:35:47 PM)

IF is a huge word. Now back up the statement with facts or admit you were wrong. Its truly that simple.

Either you are or you arent.

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However, your lack of understanding, and misuse, of words and phrases leads me to believe that I probably am intellectually superior to you. Being male I am probably physically superior to you in strength and speed. You may be superior to me in some ways, I don't know.


Btw, I know the difference between Muslim and muslin... so your intellectual superiority is definitely in question.



Rule -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 10:44:03 PM)

FR

Is this a lovers' quarrel? Maybe the both of you ought to expose your issues in one of the Ask-a-... forums? They often provide good counsel.



tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 10:48:04 PM)

You have me on ignore, remember Rule?



WyldHrt -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 10:51:51 PM)

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Btw, I know the difference between Muslim and muslin... so your intellectual superiority is definitely in question.
I'd wager that licken does, too.



Rule -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 10:55:56 PM)

Ah, but what is the difference between raisim and raisin? (Just a quick test to see who is more superior, t or l. First one to supply the correct answer is more superior. Someone tell me whether t gave the correct answer.)



lickenforyou -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 11:01:52 PM)

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However, your lack of understanding, and misuse, of words and phrases leads me to believe that I probably am intellectually superior to you. Being male I am probably physically superior to you in strength and speed. You may be superior to me in some ways, I don't know.
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

IF is a huge word. Now back up the statement with facts or admit you were wrong. Its truly that simple.

Either you are or you arent.

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However, your lack of understanding, and misuse, of words and phrases leads me to believe that I probably am intellectually superior to you. Being male I am probably physically superior to you in strength and speed. You may be superior to me in some ways, I don't know.


Btw, I know the difference between Muslim and muslin... so your intellectual superiority is definitely in question.


Ummmm, I did back it up with the following statement from that same post "However, your lack of understanding, and misuse, of words and phrases leads me to believe that I probably am intellectually superior to you. Being male I am probably physically superior to you in strength and speed."

Muslim is a person and muslin is some kind of clothing or cloth or something along those lines.



tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 11:04:21 PM)

No worries, Im woman enough to admit when im wrong. I looked back and the reference was misquoted. Which is all cool.

But, for those who wish to see a more "learned" discussion about the Delusion of Superiority



tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/8/2011 11:06:43 PM)

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Ummmm, I did back it up with the following statement from that same post "However, your lack of understanding, and misuse, of words and phrases leads me to believe that I probably am intellectually superior to you. Being male I am probably physically superior to you in strength and speed."


You have not met me. How do you know you are stronger or faster?

My lack of understanding... Experiences and education lead us all in different paths. Just because you have not walked the path I have, or that I have not walked the path you have, doesnt make either of us superior over the other.

And, yes, I have no doubt in some ways you could be superior... and in others, I would be.

Based upon that, who is truly superior?



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