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Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/18/2011 11:44:36 PM

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So sad. All the hopes and dreams of the birthers dashed with one stroke of the pen.

Arizona governor vetoes presidential 'birther' bill

PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill that would have required President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot.

The bill would have made Arizona the first state to pass such a requirement. Opponents had warned the bill would give another black eye to Arizona after last year's controversy over the state's illegal immigration enforcement law.

Brewer said in her veto letter that she was troubled that the bill empowered Arizona's secretary of state to judge the qualifications of all candidates when they file to run for office.

"I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions," said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

"In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their 'early baptismal circumcision certificates' among other records to the Arizona secretary of state," she said. "This is a bridge too far.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/18/2011 11:57:19 PM

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"early baptismal circumcision certificates"

Excuse me! Does this mean a person has to be circumcised to run for POTUS?

How would this apply to women candidates?

And what would happen if the infant wasn't baptised into any religion? Would a Birth Cert. suffice?

Surely I am not reading this correctly.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 7:20:37 AM

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"early baptismal circumcision certificates"

Excuse me! Does this mean a person has to be circumcised to run for POTUS? How would this apply to women candidates?

And what would happen if the infant wasn't baptised into any religion? Would a Birth Cert. suffice?

Surely I am not reading this correctly.

They left the "or" out.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/19/us-arizona-birther-idUSTRE73I0D820110419?feedType=RSS&ca=rns

Jewish males receive the circumcision certificate at their bris. I am sure you can figure out the baptismal thing.

I think that it was not so much a requirement, but that the bill would allow those documents to be used to prove citizenship. Neither of those certificates are legal documents. I think that it was similar to the I-9 with the "ONE from list A" OR "ONE from list B and ONE from list C."

For some unknown reason to me, baptismal or circumcision certificates made the cut for the list. (Oh, I kill me.)

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 7:37:12 AM

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There is a certain dog character who is either planning to defect from Arizona(if he currently resides there,I mean really isn't like I care or anything) or canceling,as we speak,his plans to re-locate there.
So damm amusing

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 7:44:42 AM

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It is just another sign of the extreme political divide in America. At least they are not like the Missouri Legislators and change the will of the people.

In the last few years a state election turned down a conceal and carry gun bill. Our Republican legislature said the people did not know what they were talking about and reversed the election. We now have conceal and carry.

This year we passed a law to outlaw puppy mills and set humane regulations for raising pets for sale. Our Republican mostly rural legislators again told the people they did not know what they were talking about and the bill to reverse the will of the people is before the governor for approval.

Our problem and I wonder if it is the same for Arizona is the rural… urban political divide. Out state rural legislatures voting in a Republican block against Urban Democrats.

What ever the reason the divide is becoming unreasonable and dangerous in my opinion.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 8:54:28 AM

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I have to say Jan Brewer did something good!!!!... this time
hey I give props where they are due
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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 8:58:34 AM

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ABM might even be moved to change the nic on his puppet

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 9:57:57 AM

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There is a certain dog character who is either planning to defect from Arizona(if he currently resides there,I mean really isn't like I care or anything) or canceling,as we speak,his plans to re-locate there.
So damm amusing.

Are you talking about Snoppy's brother, Spike?

I know that he moved in with the VanPelt's for a Christmas one year, but you do know Charles Schulz is dead, right?

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 10:12:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

So sad. All the hopes and dreams of the birthers dashed with one stroke of the pen.

Arizona governor vetoes presidential 'birther' bill

PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill that would have required President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot.

The bill would have made Arizona the first state to pass such a requirement. Opponents had warned the bill would give another black eye to Arizona after last year's controversy over the state's illegal immigration enforcement law.

Brewer said in her veto letter that she was troubled that the bill empowered Arizona's secretary of state to judge the qualifications of all candidates when they file to run for office.

"I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions," said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

"In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their 'early baptismal circumcision certificates' among other records to the Arizona secretary of state," she said. "This is a bridge too far.

So sad to inform you that you are sadly mistaken. Besides, the AZ "eligibility" bill actually required less than Hawaii election laws required during the 2008 election and that didn't stop Obama, the Democratic Party of Hawaii and the Democratic Nation Committee from conspiring to circumvent Hawaii's election laws.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 10:24:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

There is a certain dog character who is either planning to defect from Arizona(if he currently resides there,I mean really isn't like I care or anything) or canceling,as we speak,his plans to re-locate there.
So damm amusing.

Are you talking about Snoppy's brother, Spike?

I know that he moved in with the VanPelt's for a Christmas one year, but you do know Charles Schulz is dead, right?

Charles Schulz dead...that can't be right,I just read "Peanuts" this morning?

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 6:10:05 PM

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They be re-runs.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 6:25:21 PM

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Say it ain't so....

p.s Didn't his son take over....I'm not sure of this,but I seem to recall there was a son(yes I know I could google it,but this is more sociable

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 8:44:25 PM

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Charles Schulz dead...that can't be right,I just read "Peanuts" this morning?

Yes. For the past 10 years or so. (2-00)

He resquested that no new strips be drawn and that has been honored.

I was wrong about Spike though, he lives in Needles, CA. Not Arizona.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 8:58:47 PM

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Aylee
For some unknown reason to me, baptismal or circumcision certificates made the cut for the list. (Oh, I kill me.)

Thanks for clarifying that Aylee.

I had hoped there would be a rational explanation. Given mindsets such as RacerJim's: "that didn't stop Obama, the Democratic Party of Hawaii and the Democratic Nation Committee from conspiring to circumvent Hawaii's election laws", I wasn't over-confident of getting one.

Anyways, thanks again.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 9:04:38 PM

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Shouldn't it be a federal law? I see nothing wrong with the bill. It would be interesting to know if there was pressure applied from Washington to the governor.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 10:00:32 PM

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The bill was unconstitutional because it meant that AZ was not accepting the birth certificate from Hi. The stares are required to accept valid records (ie birth, death, marriage,divorce, etc.) from the other states.

These "birthers" are like members of some flat earth society.

With all the legitimate political issues to debate, it is funny that the issue most important to them is that the president's birth certificate does not list the Dr in attendance...

Say what ever you want, but there is no legal distinction between a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/19/2011 10:59:36 PM

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The bill was unconstitutional because it meant that AZ was not accepting the birth certificate from Hi.

Then they just need to correct the bill. Hawaii is obviously one of the states.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/20/2011 12:10:47 AM

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So sad to inform you that you are sadly mistaken. Besides, the AZ "eligibility" bill actually required less than Hawaii election laws required during the 2008 election and that didn't stop Obama, the Democratic Party of Hawaii and the Democratic Nation Committee from conspiring to circumvent Hawaii's election laws.

How exactly did he circumvent those?

Do you have some details and facts or is this just another trip into fairytale land.

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/20/2011 12:19:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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So sad to inform you that you are sadly mistaken. Besides, the AZ "eligibility" bill actually required less than Hawaii election laws required during the 2008 election and that didn't stop Obama, the Democratic Party of Hawaii and the Democratic Nation Committee from conspiring to circumvent Hawaii's election laws.

How exactly did he circumvent those?

Do you have some details and facts or is this just another trip into fairytale land.

Hey rml, this is a CONSPIRACY! A real genu-whine conspirrrracy.

Surely you know better than to demand evidence or facts. Conspiracies have nothing to do with evidence or facts. They're all about imagination - that's why they're so engaging (and amusing).

One of my big regrets is that I never seem to get around to starting my collection of conspiracy theories as I keep promising myself I'll do .......

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RE: Arizona gov. vetoes presidential 'birther' bill - 4/20/2011 12:22:45 AM

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Shouldn't it be a federal law? I see nothing wrong with the bill. It would be interesting to know if there was pressure applied from Washington to the governor.

Pressure applied from Washington?

Considering she has been in continuous battles with the federal government over more important issues, somehow I don't think Washington would try to pressure her on this nor would she give in to that pressure.

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