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ashjor911 -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 6:04:24 PM)

ok I am not from US so let me say this insted:
Wishing you all a happy easter,



hlen5 -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 6:07:14 PM)

TY Ashjor!!



TheHeretic -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 6:42:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
I've heard a couple conservatives kinda don't like Newt Gingrich.  Why is that?



I can't, and don't, speak for any conservatives other than myself, Violet (and I scare some of them).

I respect the facts that Newt is smart (very smart), articulate, competent, and driven. He's also very polarizing, and there is quite a pile of evidence that he's not a very nice person. I don't like the vibe I get from him.



provfivetine -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 7:05:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

I was going to do 10, but that's like, a lot, so..

1.) In the coming campaign, which talking point should Conservatives focus on the most?

2.) Bachmann or Palin? and why?

3.) Of all the GOP candidates, who's going to get the nomination?

4.) Who on the conservative side would you have riding the bench?

5.) Who's your favorite Conservative? Why that person?



1. If they were smart, they'd focus on Obama's war-mongering fixation. Obama has expanded the war on terror to include Pakistan and Yemen, and now he's war-mongering with Libya (while arming al-Qaeda) However, the Republicans have blood on their hands with all this too, so I'm not really expecting anything.

2. As other's have said... neither; but I don't feel that this is a good response, but if a gun was pointed at my head, I'd go with Bachmann - more educated (believe it or not).

3. Probably Donald Trump. All the other Republicans have too much baggage, and Trump is seen as an outsider. He's also leading some recent straw polls. All you naysayers have to remember that Obama wasn't considered a candidate at this point in the last election.

4. Everyone not named Ron Paul.

5. Ron Paul - the only consistent and principled candidate in Washington (outside of communist Bernie Sanders). Ron Paul is the only one who can beat Obama; he could unite the anti-war progressives, the "legalize weed" hippies, and other leftists disappointed with Obama. Also, all the conservatives would support him anyways; who would they vote for? I have a feeling that most republicans, neo-cons, etc would feel that it's more important to get Obama out than to have their guy in.



DarkSteven -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 8:39:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

That's interesting Heretic, I've heard a couple conservatives kinda don't like Newt Gingrich.  Why is that?



There's facts, and there's memory.

The facts are that Newt was pillorying Clinton for his affair while at the same time he was cheating as well.  And as Rich said, he's not known for being nice.

The memory is that Newt is a relic of the Clinton Presidency, the most successful Dem administration in memory, and  the first Dem to get elected to a second term since FDR.  He created the Contract with America and got the GOP blamed for the government shutdown and is a very visible reminder of a time that Republicans would rather forget.

Oddly enough, Newt has not changed and thinks that he can be successful with the same formula that didn't work against Clinton.



dcnovice -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 8:43:34 PM)

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I've never thought of Thomas Jefferson or Theodore Roosevelt as conservatives.

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Hillwilliam -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 8:50:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

<hijack>

I've never thought of Thomas Jefferson or Theodore Roosevelt as conservatives.

</hijack>

You may have a point with Roosevelt. Because of the fact that he refused to 'play the game' with the big businessmen of his era, he was kicked out of the Republican party.



TheHeretic -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 8:52:54 PM)

<response to hijack>

The size, scope, and power of government, and the appropriate and inappropriate uses of such power, is an old argument, DC,

<response to hijack> [:)]



dcnovice -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 8:59:06 PM)

True enough, Rich. And he did tend toward the smaller scale/scope. At least until he bought Louisiana!



TheHeretic -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 9:46:03 PM)

It was the right decision.



dcnovice -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 9:49:37 PM)

Oh, I agree, But it did require him, I think, to stretch his idea of executive power.

Thanks, btw, for stretching my mind a bit and getting me to think of TJ in a different light.



TheHeretic -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/22/2011 9:54:03 PM)

That's my mission, DC. [:D]



hlen5 -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/23/2011 10:33:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

......................New Gingrich has been a pretty loyal conservative, so I was just wondering what some people's beef with him is.



My beef with him is he is an amoral hypocrite.



hlen5 -> RE: 5 questions for conservatives (but anyone can answer) (4/23/2011 10:46:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: VioletGray
............
1.) In the coming campaign, which talking point should Conservatives focus on the most?

2.) Bachmann or Palin? and why?

3.) Of all the GOP candidates, who's going to get the nomination?

4.) Who on the conservative side would you have riding the bench?

5.) Who's your favorite Conservative? Why that person?


1). I'm hard-pressed to come up with a subject where the Cons have an edge or better idea! We need: jobs, to get out of all our foreign entanglements, to improve the current healthcare mess, a guest worker program that would work, huge huge improvements to our infrastructure, (roads, a smart grid power system,) more efficient use of energy.......

2). Bachmann, my antipathy for Palin has grown to such epic porportions I'd even take that loopy Sharon person over Palin.

3). I would say Romney has the best chance of the current crop.

4). All of the other ones.

5). I guess I would say Ron Paul. He at least has integrity.



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