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OwnedFemaleFlesh -> Cane Arm (4/24/2011 1:51:55 AM)

Yesterday my Owner gave me a really fabulous caning session. We have a fantastic Tohiti Cane that is so thick and thuddy, I can't get enough of it, and Sir ends up going harder and harder as I'm loving it.

Fast forward to today and his arm and shoulder is killing him, I feel so guilty! Is there any way to avoid arm and shoulder ache the day after playing? I just told him he needs to cane me more often to build up the muscle ;-)

Many thanks for any suggestions,

owned xxx




Focus50 -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 2:50:05 AM)

I doubt it's anything more than over-exercising muscles and tendons etc that he's otherwise not used to using in this manner.

Like going to the gym for your first time in more than a year. You think you're taking it a bit easy because you have previous experience of overdoing things, only to wake up next morning feeling like you must've been hit by a truck.

It's not your probelm or fault that he wasn't aware of his own limitations - or lack of "match preactise". First he needs to rest and recover and then he needs to monitor his own actions. Maybe it's time for a thinner cane - something with more bite and sting (rather than thud) to... errrrrr...., bring you "back to the field" a bit....

Focus.




aromanholiday -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 8:01:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh

Yesterday my Owner gave me a really fabulous caning session. We have a fantastic Tohiti Cane that is so thick and thuddy, I can't get enough of it, and Sir ends up going harder and harder as I'm loving it.

Fast forward to today and his arm and shoulder is killing him, I feel so guilty! Is there any way to avoid arm and shoulder ache the day after playing? I just told him he needs to cane me more often to build up the muscle ;-)

Many thanks for any suggestions,

owned xxx


"Cane arm" (laughing) The same thing used to happen to my former owner. He was quite fond of using his canes and other implements of mass destruction and he would sometimes injure his arm. If that happened, he had to give it time off to heal or it would just get worse--although he didn't always do so. [;)] Sometimes it took a couple of months to heal, which sucked. Strength training might help (but only after the injury is gone!). If he has medical insurance, perhaps he can see a sports-injury specialist or a physical therapist for...I don't know. Tennis arm? lol They will give him stretching exercises to do that will speed up the recovery, perhaps even a cortisone shot. What also helps is to switch to a different sort of implement or type of pain that doesn't require the frequent arm-swinging movement. There are plenty of implements that use wrist-flicking and are quite...devastating. Hmm... these aren't always that "thuddy" though. I've been away from the details for a while, but I'm sure there are any number of people here who might be able to give you some specific product recommendations.




windchymes -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 8:43:30 AM)

Why guilty? Sore muscles are a natural occurance after muscles are used in a way that isn't usual. Sympathetic, yes, but guilty? Heck no! [:)]

Ice and Advil, he'll be fine in a day or two.




Buzzzz -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 11:05:07 AM)

tell him to switch arms and practice his ambidextry (sp)




ResidentSadist -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 1:37:43 PM)

EAT SWEET POTATOES before hand
CARB & CAFFEINE COCKTAIL afterwards
. . . really. 

Most body builders and athletes eat sweet potatoes to extend their endurance during training or competition and to avoid muscles soreness the next day.  I ate them when I lifted weights and it makes a huge difference.  Here is how it works. 

Muscles usually ache the next day because of lactic acid buildup or tears (microtears).  I doubt that the cane weighs enough to cause the muscle tears bodybuilders get so I would guess it's lactic acid. 

When use your muscles, they use oxygen through the process of glycolysis to breakdown sugars (glycogen) into a usable form.  If you do not have enough of the components needed for the process, lactic acid builds up causing soreness.

Carb loading is standard practice for long term muscle use, like hour long events or long distance runs.  Eating sweet potatoes loads your muscles with their high glycogen content giving you greater endurance and less soreness afterward.

Clinical studies also show that using a "carbohydrate and caffeine" cocktail following workouts replaces glycogen faster. 






hausboy -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 7:05:19 PM)

You might want to consider switching canes. (no pun intended).  With the right cane, a full arm stroke is not required, simply the motion from the forearm and flick of the wrist.  Obviously, if you have your favorite canes, you won't want to give them up, but if the "caning elbow" becomes more than an occasional nuisance, I'd consider a new can/caning technique.

The same goes for paddles--if the Top/Dom/Domme has shoulder/elbow issues from repeated swings, an easier solution is to use a more effective paddle. Easier on the top, harder on the bottom.




Awareness -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 7:50:19 PM)

  Ironically, what he's experiencing is DOMS - delayed onset muscle soreness.  Generally this is caused by the eccentric contractions of a muscle set after a long period of relative inactivity.  In the scenario you describe, it's the braking motion he applies at either end of the caning motion which is responsible for this, not the caning itself.  When he pulls the cane back to strike, he decelerates it to a rapid stop.  It's this deceleration motion which requires eccentric muscle contraction.  The more rapid the caning, the more often and severe the eccentric contraction.  He also decelerates after the strike as well.

It'll stay like this for up to 3 days but his body will adapt.  He could get himself to a gym and get into some bicep, tricep and deltoid training.  One possible alternative is to make the strokes slower and more full.  If he's more deliberate about the strikes and follows through without pulling back, this will reduce the severity of the eccentric contractions.

And frankly, you're being ridiculous.  Maintenance of his body is his responsibility.  If he can't handle the exertion of caning a sub, then he shouldn't be stepping up to the plate.





hausboy -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 8:02:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Ironically, what he's experiencing is DOMS - delayed onset muscle soreness.  Generally this is caused by the eccentric contractions of a muscle set after a long period of relative inactivity.  In the scenario you describe, it's the braking motion he applies at either end of the caning motion which is responsible for this, not the caning itself.  When he pulls the cane back to strike, he decelerates it to a rapid stop.  It's this deceleration motion which requires eccentric muscle contraction.  The more rapid the caning, the more often and severe the eccentric contraction.  He also decelerates after the strike as well.

It'll stay like this for up to 3 days but his body will adapt.  He could get himself to a gym and get into some bicep, tricep and deltoid training.  One possible alternative is to make the strokes slower and more full.  If he's more deliberate about the strikes and follows through without pulling back, this will reduce the severity of the eccentric contractions.

And frankly, you're being ridiculous.  Maintenance of his body is his responsibility.  If he can't handle the exertion of caning a sub, then he shouldn't be stepping up to the plate.



I beg your pardon... (well, actually I don't...just trying to be more polite than something less civil) but I don't believe I am being ridiculous.  Several good friends (and tops) have health issues ranging from fibromyalgia to Parkinsons....and as a result, they found that in order to achieve the desired effects they (and their bottoms) wanted, they had to change techniques and implements. 

The OP did not specify the nature of illness/injury other than "caning elbow", and I stand by my advice.   I've been playing with canes for almost 20 years now, and can tell you that there are plenty of canes out there that do not require a full and heavy swing. Secondly, many caning enthusiasts prefer to allow the cane to stay on the stripe and not pull back immediately (that rebound action you described)

So quite honestly, Awareness, there are numerous ways to cane as well as multiple types of caning implements. I merely made a suggestion.  If you or the OP don't like it, don't follow it.

have a delightful evening.






Awareness -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 8:09:25 PM)

  Dude, I was replying to the OP and telling her she's being ridiculous for feeling guilty.  It must've been a fast reply, although I don't remember doing so.




hausboy -> RE: Cane Arm (4/24/2011 8:19:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Dude, I was replying to the OP and telling her she's being ridiculous for feeling guilty.  It must've been a fast reply, although I don't remember doing so.



Okay--didn't realize that.  Your reply indicated it was in response to mine.




Kana -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 6:25:35 AM)

My man needs to hit the gym.
That's my thought.
Shit, get a speed bag. They're great for doms-keep those hands quickquickquick,.




OwnedFemaleFlesh -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 12:43:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50
...lack of "match practise". First he needs to rest and recover and then he needs to monitor his own actions. Maybe it's time for a thinner cane - something with more bite and sting (rather than thud) to... errrrrr...., bring you "back to the field" a bit....

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Lol at match practice! We do have thinner canes (heck we have lots of canes!) it's just that the thicker ones are sooo nice. Some r&r for Sir will not go amiss, methinks :-D




OwnedFemaleFlesh -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 12:45:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Buzzzz

tell him to switch arms and practice his ambidextry (sp)


Hee hee, he can cane using both arms, but I was, ahem, in situ on the bed and it would have involved unchaining me and getting me to turn round. *sighs* it's so hard being a masochist sometimes ;-)




OwnedFemaleFlesh -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 12:48:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

EAT SWEET POTATOES before hand
CARB & CAFFEINE COCKTAIL afterwards
. . . really. 

Most body builders and athletes eat sweet potatoes to extend their endurance during training or competition and to avoid muscles soreness the next day.  I ate them when I lifted weights and it makes a huge difference.  Here is how it works. 

Muscles usually ache the next day because of lactic acid buildup or tears (microtears).  I doubt that the cane weighs enough to cause the muscle tears bodybuilders get so I would guess it's lactic acid. 

When use your muscles, they use oxygen through the process of glycolysis to breakdown sugars (glycogen) into a usable form.  If you do not have enough of the components needed for the process, lactic acid builds up causing soreness.

Carb loading is standard practice for long term muscle use, like hour long events or long distance runs.  Eating sweet potatoes loads your muscles with their high glycogen content giving you greater endurance and less soreness afterward.

Clinical studies also show that using a "carbohydrate and caffeine" cocktail following workouts replaces glycogen faster. 


Many thanks for this informative reply, Sir actually loves sweet potato and so we headed out to the shops today to get some in and see if it helps at all. Sadly, sweet potato crisps (chips) cannot be found in the UK (there seem to be loads from the US!) but we got some wedges and some other bits :-)

owned xxx




OwnedFemaleFlesh -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 12:51:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Ironically, what he's experiencing is DOMS - delayed onset muscle soreness.  Generally this is caused by the eccentric contractions of a muscle set after a long period of relative inactivity.  In the scenario you describe, it's the braking motion he applies at either end of the caning motion which is responsible for this, not the caning itself.  When he pulls the cane back to strike, he decelerates it to a rapid stop.  It's this deceleration motion which requires eccentric muscle contraction.  The more rapid the caning, the more often and severe the eccentric contraction.  He also decelerates after the strike as well.

It'll stay like this for up to 3 days but his body will adapt.  He could get himself to a gym and get into some bicep, tricep and deltoid training.  One possible alternative is to make the strokes slower and more full.  If he's more deliberate about the strikes and follows through without pulling back, this will reduce the severity of the eccentric contractions.


This is really interesting, he does cane fast. We think slowing down and making the strokes 'fuller' may help, so thanks for that.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
And frankly, you're being ridiculous.  Maintenance of his body is his responsibility.  If he can't handle the exertion of caning a sub, then he shouldn't be stepping up to the plate.


Yes, but when the Dom in question has twice said he is going to stop and the sub in question has twice made those pleading, mewly 'I'm just a poor little subbie' begging noises, causing him to continue, then the sub does bear some responsibility for breaking her Dom's arm with her ass, methinks ;-)




Focus50 -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 3:06:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh

Lol at match practice! We do have thinner canes (heck we have lots of canes!) it's just that the thicker ones are sooo nice. Some r&r for Sir will not go amiss, methinks :-D


Well yeah; my point was that you have too much endurance tolerance with the thicker cane. That he can't keep up, whereas a thinner cane would likely reduce your endurance time.

And hausboy makes a good point that I didn't think to consider, that maybe your master has a flaw with technique vs his individual physiology. Just don't go to a golf pro; they can completely fuck anyone's swing... ;)

Focus.




Focus50 -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 3:17:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh

Yes, but when the Dom in question has twice said he is going to stop and the sub in question has twice made those pleading, mewly 'I'm just a poor little subbie' begging noises, causing him to continue, then the sub does bear some responsibility for breaking her Dom's arm with her ass, methinks ;-)


Uh-ohhhh.... There's multiple issues there.

One is that you're controlling him and the scene and another is that it's led to him exceeding his own physical limitations.

While it can be argued the second issue is your fault, the truth is that it was enabled by the first issue - which is his fault. You have a dom who needs to learn to say "NO!" to you, especially when you're having too good a time.

Focus.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 9:37:59 PM)

 
a pinch hitter... [;)]





OwnedFemaleFlesh -> RE: Cane Arm (4/25/2011 10:36:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

quote:

ORIGINAL: OwnedFemaleFlesh

Yes, but when the Dom in question has twice said he is going to stop and the sub in question has twice made those pleading, mewly 'I'm just a poor little subbie' begging noises, causing him to continue, then the sub does bear some responsibility for breaking her Dom's arm with her ass, methinks ;-)


Uh-ohhhh.... There's multiple issues there.

One is that you're controlling him and the scene and another is that it's led to him exceeding his own physical limitations.

While it can be argued the second issue is your fault, the truth is that it was enabled by the first issue - which is his fault. You have a dom who needs to learn to say "NO!" to you, especially when you're having too good a time.

Focus.



I wouldn't agree that I am controlling him or the scene. Sir is quite sadistic and enjoys pushing me to breaking point when we play. He usually has to stop for my sake, rather than his. In this case, Sir was looking at the colour of my ass and thinking I'd had enough, and I was indicating that actually it felt great and I wasn't at my limit at all. Showing that I am happy to take more pain from him is a deeper form of submission, imo, not a lesser one. If he hadn't wanted to continue, he wouldn't have done :-)

However, I do agree that this led to him exceeding his own physical limitations, which is unfortunate. It's hard not to feel guilty when your Dom is suffering from your pleasure, it should be the other way round!

owned xxx




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