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Hillwilliam -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 6:03:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne See term they have their chance and cant hold a conversation because they dont even know the basics. OK, RO. I'll bite. What article of the US constitution defines precious metals as the only money?

Real0ne -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 6:22:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne See term they have their chance and cant hold a conversation because they dont even know the basics. OK, RO. I'll bite. What article of the US constitution defines precious metals as the only money? Article 1, Section 8 To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; Article I, Section 10, provides that "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Oh and the STATE OF XYZ... well guess what... they are sovereign and that is a title of nobility! LMAO Now the federali's are not a "State of the Union" and the federal reserve is NOT federal but a private corporation well if you want to split hairs its an "association" same functional dif...... and it is incorporated in puerto rico. The whole lot of them are foreign to the states. So they fake out the americans of the time into thinking that the federal reserve is part of the government with the name "federal" creating false presumptions in the minds of the people to sell this scam aka LIES, along with the federal reserve charter and the act creating it now becomes cast in concrete because by the time people figgered it out it was to late. Now you have a private foreign association selling the foreign to the states of the union columbia corporation aka the fedrali's in control of the nations money and a complete circumvention of the constitution. Hence the people, Americans that use the money that was slowly evolved into place starting with gold and silver certs to get everyone used to handling paper only to remove the gold backing after the dangers of such a thing have been long forgotten and NOT TAUGHT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR YEARS!!! funny how that works out so slick aint it?

Hillwilliam -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 6:27:01 PM)
the key word there is STATE. The feds can do anything they want. Commonly misinterpreted passage.

Real0ne -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 6:32:03 PM)
well and that is what I said. however the money was distributed to the states and the states are prevented from coining their own, hence the people are now enemies of the state and the states have no remedy at law to repair the damage. well they do, but on the surface that is the case. look at people who start their communities that deal in silver as money they are mugged by the federal thugs over the state lines. When its not state money but private money that groups of people make for their own use. the obvious hypocrisy here and tryanny shining brite and the states have no militias to protect the people. hell the people dont even get it!

pahunkboy -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 7:38:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy A new guy comes in- and instead of debating the point- yous jump on him. Rather then learn from an exchange of ideas- you rather conclude he is crazy and not worth the time of day. Consider tho that TARP means you house, job and retirement has been stolen. Even as I post this food prices up noticably- this IS a de facto currency devaluation- it is theft out of your pocket. Every time you pay higher prices- the grid has stolen from you. But most here want to beleive if we just get the certain party in the White House- that things will be rosy! Wake up! Both parties are on the Wall Street team. What do you need to see? TARP was the siren! TARP has not been repaid- as now programs that YOU are on- are being cut to pay for bankers fraud. This fraud is a robbery to you- it steals food off of your table of your family! People. Get a clue. Hunky, the reason he got jumped was for posting utter bullshit. The constitution says nothing about the only money being precious metals. Silver $47.85 Gold $1511.40 Basically folks you only have a few weeks left to buy silver.

Termyn8or -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 11:01:24 PM)
"I think what DK is looking for RO (and MR), is EVIDENCE. Not the ramblings of some lunatic. Real, hard evidence that supports your arguements. If you have no evidence, be a man and admit it. " Forget silver, what about gold ? It is a well known fact that the government called in all the gold in supposedly private hands. It was a ten grand fine for being in posession of gold. Everybody knows that (I think). That's your wonderful FDR at work here. And since they called in all the gold, where the hell is it ? What's more the reason was people might hoard it ? What the fuck ? That's what you're SUPPOSED to do when the government sells your future up the river. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 11:08:35 PM)
"Since we have nothing but truth and transparency then who no audit of Fort Knox? WHY? " There is no gold in Frot Knox, I've known it for many years. Actually there is, but nowhere near what is supposed to be there. Sure there's millions worth, but in light of today's budget and all the debt and shit, it really amounts to NOTHING. It's about as significant as a government employee using the same tissue twice. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 11:13:09 PM)
"The constitution says nothing about the only money being precious metals. " Oh really. Do you have an abridged version or something ? It authorizes the COINING of money. Try that with paper. There is more but you should just read it for yourself, how about that ? T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 11:18:52 PM)
"Americans that use the money that was slowly evolved into place starting with gold and silver certs to get everyone used to handling paper only to remove the gold backing " Maybe we need some pictures of currency. You know the currency that said " Is redeemable for lawful money ". Perhaps the sheeple would like to answer why the fuck it said that. But I doubt it, it shatters their illusion. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 11:24:39 PM)
"Silver $47.85 Gold $1511.40" Translation : Dollar = 1/47.85 in lawful money - silver. Dollar = 1/1511.42 in lawful money - gold Simple math. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/24/2011 11:27:04 PM)
"hence the people are now enemies of the state and the states have no remedy at law to repair the damage. " Why don't you bring out the newer version of the Trading With The Enemies Act ? Show them the definition of enemy in it, maybe they can understand it, maybe not. T^T

BitaTruble -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 12:29:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne there is a very specific reason the constitution said gold and silver do you know what those reasons are? Because back in 1776 we had representative $ and now we have fiat. When it became illegal to refuse legal tender as a form of debt repayment, there was no more need for the government to back the money up with precious metal. Money, itself, had to have value and now it just has to be legal and these days, it doesn't seem to have much value at all while gold and silver still do. Personally, I prefer diamonds. :D

Real0ne -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 6:42:18 AM)
They had paper back then also and it can work, but it has to be precisely tied to the output and without borrowing. The system we have now cannot ever be paid back because its a monopoly on the money owned and operated by a private enterprise called the federal reserve in collusion with the treasury to defraud the people. The reason that gold was written into the constitution is because there is a finite amount and once the vault is empty there is no more to bad so sad the guv now had to shit or get off the pot and do something about it. They knew from past experience nothing would ever get done and more money would be spent until there is nothing left and people are forced into war after war over money that is based on fraud in the first place. When the gold is gone the guv is out of money. It kept them honest. That and when they were running short they had to increase the value of the gold so instead of your money buying less as the inflation is killing you right now, (look at gas) the value of your gold and silver money that you had in your pocket would go up driving prices down inspiring you to spend it back into the economy and the money you had would increase in value! Not like it is now where the dollar is only worth a fucking penny. So with gold, or (hard specie) for money, the more the guv screwed up the richer YOU got! Unlike now where the more the guv screws up the poorer you get!! People today are such dumb asses they let the guv commit fraud with impunity. The guv has no incentive to change in fact its against their best interests to change now. Why give up their little treasure trove? everything from the monetary system to electronic voting machines. anyway that is the reason they shall not coin anything but metal. a finite source, only so much of it.

mnottertail -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 7:01:20 AM)
all very wrong, the idea of states being able to command gold and silver in payment of debt is to insure that there is no possible way to creat an alternative bartering scheme between states other than the cohesive federal one. peri fuckin od. you got either federal scrip or you got gold or silver, nothin' else. Roosevelt did not take us off the gold standard, Nixon did in a series of financial policies and laws called the Nixon Shock collectively. Roosevelt made it illegal to trade in gold and silver publically, at large in the citizenry, and that law was also repealed in 1974. The idea was that they could prevent a great deal of hoarding and speculating manuevers, the inevitable crash after the big bubble, which you see today due to that law being repealed.

Real0ne -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 7:10:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "Silver $47.85 Gold $1511.40" Translation : Dollar = 1/47.85 in lawful money - silver. Dollar = 1/1511.42 in lawful money - gold Simple math. T^T term I think you made a typo? gold should be 20/1511 if you want to base it on a 1:1 ratio with silver when they pulled it all in in 1933. Of course it took 30 years to completely phase it out ending with nixon.

Real0ne -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 7:18:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail all very wrong, the idea of states being able to command gold and silver in payment of debt is to insure that there is no possible way to creat an alternative bartering scheme between states other than the cohesive federal one. peri fuckin od. you got either federal scrip or you got gold or silver, nothin' else. Roosevelt did not take us off the gold standard, Nixon did in a series of financial policies and laws called the Nixon Shock collectively. Roosevelt made it illegal to trade in gold and silver publically, that is taking us off the gold standard defacto ron. at large in the citizenry, and that law was also repealed in 1974. sure because it was no longer needed after the change to toilet paper with a purty green design on it was completely in place. The idea was that they could prevent a great deal of hoarding and speculating manuevers, the inevitable crash after the big bubble, which you see today due to that law being repealed. not even close. "wrong" NOT you got "part" of it. it did standardize. both to standardize and force the states to use ONLY GOLD COINS FOR DEBT. didnt matter where the hell the came came from could use krugarrands to pay debt for all they gave a shit as long as it was gold coins. you can read all about it in the coinage act 1789 I believe. your federal scrip statement is wrong since the gold clause was not added in the 1900's. federal scrip evolved after 1861 when the banks took over the government and put the whole country under martial law and was official with the federal reserve act. This shit does not happen in 1 day. That is go from concept to full implementation. Bimetallism persisted until March 14, 1900, with the passage of the Gold Standard Act, which provided that: "...the dollar consisting of twenty-five and eight-tenths grains (1.67 g) of gold nine-tenths fine, as established by section thirty-five hundred and eleven of the Revised Statutes of the United States, shall be the standard unit of value, and all forms of money issued or coined by the United States shall be maintained at a parity of value with this standard..." Thus the United States moved to a gold standard, made gold the sole legal-tender coinage of the United States, and set the value of the dollar at $20.67 per ounce (66.46 ¢/g) of gold. This made the dollar convertible to 1.5 g (23.22 grains)—the same convertibility into gold that was possible on the bimetallic standard. A gold-standard 1928 one-dollar bill. It is identified as a "United States Note" rather than a Federal Reserve note and by the words "Will Pay to the Bearer on Demand," which do not appear on today's currency. This clause became obsolete in 1933 but remained on new notes for 30 years thereafter. its not what they tell you that is true, its what they DO!

mnottertail -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 8:01:54 AM)
That walks right past all the facts. Indeed, the country in its yout was a bad bargain, and we used spanish and later french gold coinage as our standard at the outset, and portugese and english (of course) and state and local banks issued their own scrip, nobody was going to sign a paper with us, we didnt have the full faith and might in those days. In any case, it did not 'move' to a gold standard in the way you suggest. It standardized what a scrip to gold weight and purity would be. Much like hogsheads, barrelheads, inches, furlongs, and now the standard by which we measure a meter, and time (all atomically) more exacting. No nation just starts printing scrip that is widely accepted out of the blue, lacking any history or proof of backing. The constitutions ratification in 1789 put a stop to some of the shakey shit going on in state and local banking and our first national bank in Philly created 1791......so, from 1776 to 1789 to get the ideas of what we should be in writing and agreed, and 2 years to slam up the federal banking system, so this 30 years off the standard is baloney.....the overnight hyperbolebullshit is nothing save some conspiritorial canard.

pahunkboy -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 8:31:35 AM)
...way back- demonetization of silver was thought to be a big deal. The banks had tighter control over gold- so the little guy lost. Right now- a few of the guys on the silver board are converting their silver to gold. I think it is too soon. Wednesday is options expiation -so metals will drop until thursday. If banks are so good-- why are they welfare cases? You can argue for fiat money-- but remember that when you shop. Prices in silver for gas and food do not go up. Same amount of silver will buy the same amount of gas and food- historical. Inflation is a currency devaluation. It is theft from your pocket. Consider too- that the so called increase in cash- is taxed. So not only do they tax you on fake gains- they devalue the property which is already yours. Food taken right from your mouth and you let it happen.

Real0ne -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 8:38:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail That walks right past all the facts. Indeed, the country in its yout was a bad bargain, and we used spanish and later french gold coinage as our standard at the outset, and portugese and english (of course) and state and local banks issued their own scrip, nobody was going to sign a paper with us, we didnt have the full faith and might in those days. In any case, it did not 'move' to a gold standard in the way you suggest. It standardized what a scrip to gold weight and purity would be. Much like hogsheads, barrelheads, inches, furlongs, and now the standard by which we measure a meter, and time (all atomically) more exacting. No nation just starts printing scrip that is widely accepted out of the blue, lacking any history or proof of backing. The constitutions ratification in 1789 put a stop to some of the shakey shit going on in state and local banking and our first national bank in Philly created 1791......so, from 1776 to 1789 to get the ideas of what we should be in writing and agreed, and 2 years to slam up the federal banking system, so this 30 years off the standard is baloney.....the overnight hyperbolebullshit is nothing save some conspiritorial canard. if it cannot be traded publicly it se5rves the same purpose as if it were off the standard. zippo nothing to do with conspiracy you might want to reread what I said sounds like you didnt get it.

mnottertail -> RE: The GAME THEY PLAY (4/25/2011 8:47:10 AM)
That is rummaging thru rhubarb. The standard was expressed. The fact that you cannot publically trade quarks and mesons does not make them not standard. You drone on about what memes of words and words mean, but you invariably explicate meanings that are never attached to the words you are using in the fashion you use them. Here is a meter, expressed over time to exacting standards, yet never publically traded. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre It may also cross even the most globally unknowing fellers mind that the rates of exchange between countries are negotiable and change over time, but they are based on a standard, so many quid to a greenback and so on, or so many yen to an ounce of gold....... If I didn't understand what you wrote it is only because unless it is a trivial matter, anything you write is impenetrable nonsense.

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