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Extreme Bondage - 4/24/2011 10:56:07 AM   
VeryHeavyBondage


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Hello,
If I may, I would like to ask some advice from the Mistresses of this forum. Specifically, Mistresses who enjoy keeping subs in bondage.

For many years I have been searching for very demanding experiences where I am put into very heavy bondage, genital restraints and anything else that restricts my movement and reduces me to a helpless object suffering in predicament situations. But always afterwards I feel that things could have been taken much further.

Now, I'm not a fool. I know that any Bondage has to be safe, and the longer the bondage will last the more risk there is of circualation problems. I know the health risks, and that if I am being kept overnight and unwatched I can't be stretched taunt and forced onto my tippy-toes to stop my balls being ripped off!

But I crave extreme situations and the genuine fear of what will be done to me next. I love predicament situations and bondage that is genuinely inescapeable and which reduces me to a helpless object genuinely suffering for my owner's enjoyment. If caged overnight I want to be aching and whimpering from what has already been done to me and fear of what happens next in the morning.

But often I am disappointed, getting what I consider gentle tie&tease instead of true ordeals.

So I wanted to ask, how far can things be pushed safely?
And how do a find a Mistress who will truly make me suffer in bondage while still being safe?

Many thanks for any help and advice,
Steve in the UK.




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RE: Extreme Bondage - 4/24/2011 11:15:49 AM   
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If I am with a man who has more extreme tastes than I do, but I fully desire to push him to the limits, I consider taking him to a professional dungeon with a dominatrix I know is skilled and safe, and it allows for an incredible mindfuck as she's capable of doing all the things I personally don't consider typical of my style. This allows me to still control the action, but enjoy it in the context that I am not constantly second guessing my skill, his safety, etc. I absolutely love this kind of intense stuff, especially if he has no idea it's going to happen and I totally set it up on my own.

If you aren't in this type of relationship, where the woman really does also want to see these types of situations (but doesn't feel capable of carrying it out herself), then you may want to consider finding a professional who considers this her expertise and negotiate accordingly.

The final thing to consider is how reasonable your expectations are. I have a lot of incredibly intense, amazing, edgy fantasies that will always remain just that - fantasies. I fully enjoy using them as mind fucks, exploring them in roleplay and having many, many wonderful orgasms with them as a center to my lust - but I know they will never be a "true reality" -- despite the fact that with enough money, and a willingness to ignore risk, I could easily find a man to do it with me. But when it comes down to it, health and safety are far more important than a scene that will- in all honesty - probably never match up to my intense, insane, amazing fantasies. If something has been a fantasy for a very, very long time, it's probably as perfect as it will ever be in the dark corners of my mind. I'd rather leave it there, unscathed.

Akasha

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RE: Extreme Bondage - 4/24/2011 5:14:53 PM   
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply Mistress AAkaska.

You are quite right - there is a line between fantasy and what is possible, which in this context normally means what is safe but feels unbearable, and what is likely causing injury and shouldn't be done. I also totally agree with using threats of fantasy situations to frighten a bound captive sometimes being more effective than reality.

But some Mistresses seem to be reluctant to even cause a little pain and discomfort though bondage or restraints.
So the question is "what extreme bondage can you do to a bound male gimp that will really push its limits, but is actually safe?"

If you want to hang weights from its balls, what's a sensible maximum weight?
If you want to suspend it, how long can it be left before it needs to be released and put into another position?
If you want to strap it down in total bondage, how long can it be left before it has to be put into a new position?

As a male submissive I am not really qualified to judge this - any pain to the balls seems too much and it's sort of my role to be scared of what might be done to me while bound - so I am looking for knowledgeable feedback from Mistresses who who know what can, and more importantly what cannot, be done safely to a gimp while pushing its limits, so I can ask to be treated in ways that will really push my limits while being safe.

[I hope the use of "It" doesn't seem too impersonal - "It" is how I actually think of myself once bound and helpless.]

Steve in th UK.



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RE: Extreme Bondage - 4/24/2011 8:26:03 PM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: VeryHeavyBondage


If you want to hang weights from its balls, what's a sensible maximum weight?
If you want to suspend it, how long can it be left before it needs to be released and put into another position?
If you want to strap it down in total bondage, how long can it be left before it has to be put into a new position?

As a male submissive I am not really qualified to judge this - any pain to the balls seems too much and it's sort of my role to be scared of what might be done to me while bound - so I am looking for knowledgeable feedback from Mistresses who who know what can, and more importantly what cannot, be done safely to a gimp while pushing its limits, so I can ask to be treated in ways that will really push my limits while being safe.

[I hope the use of "It" doesn't seem too impersonal - "It" is how I actually think of myself once bound and helpless.]

Steve in th UK.





The whole "it" thing maybe provides some insight into the greater problem. You desire a woman that doesn't care for you, and sees you as an object for her sadistic pleasure, so much so that your discomfort and/or limits are meaningless to her. You have eroticized that.

Does a woman like this exist? Well, I don't know. Most women I know, who are like me (read: sadistic. Very.) express their sadism as a way to communicate intimacy or affection or lust. These are qualities that require connection, affection, empathy. I enjoy making a man suffer, because it pleases me. However, I have to have feelings for the man. That will always prevent me from being totally heartless about it, and, in fact, will also ensure that ultimately I want him to be safe. I can be pretty cruel, but I have no desire to reduce a man to an "it" and put my sadistic desires above his well being.

No matter how cruel I am feeling, I will always take time to "check in." I will always stop a step short of when he has to 'safeword' if we are playing with such code words (rare for me, since I prefer direct communication anyway). I actually get hot and wet from making a man suffer for me, but the kinds of scenarios you describe - where the man is reduced to an 'it' - fall flat and cold to me, and would never be my style.

It's a very complicated fantasy at the end of the day, and one that is - to be honest - perhaps best played out in the safety of a professional dungeon with a serious mindfuck wrapped around it. To find it in an an affectionate relationship with a woman who cares for you may ruin the underlying need you have to be objectified. I can do that in small doses and it can be incredibly rewarding, but it's not like that at all for me.

More importantly though, if with a partner who I felt saw me as a femdom falling short as a 'sadist' because I could not ignore his safety and/or totally confidently read his signals, I would probably not be able to continue with that partner. I am sadistic for my own needs, not his; the irony here is that the woman may be getting everything *she* needs with the level of your suffering, but you are not satisfied, yet all the risks for your safety fall into her hands, as does the failure if afterward you say, "well that was not that bad at all." Hindsight is always 20/20 until your balls literally rip from your body from the 30lb weight.

Akasha


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RE: Extreme Bondage - 4/25/2011 1:48:20 AM   
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Thank you for your reply,

Many people want to be "objectified" and considered an "it" during restrictive play - it does not mean there is no emotional connection between the sub and the Mistress or that they don't communicate over the breakfast table, it is a manner of play, but one that does require a lot of knowledge and confidence on the part of the Mistress to do it safely.

The point of the question is to promote safety and identify practices that are not safe. Your throw away comment about the 30lb weight was not very useful. But if you had said what your practical experience has shown a safe weight is for an average male sub if hung for an hour that would have been useful.

So lets drag this question back onto the quest for hard facts about Bondage from people with practical experience. Most of us know the obvious golden safety rules about things that should never be done (don't leave a gagged sub unattended, don't pull cords taunt around the front of a subs neck etc. etc.) but what are the less obvious things people should know about Bondage? What are the limits of what can be done safely?
  • What can be done to a sub safely that the sub will find very demanding but which won't cause lasting harm?
  • What seems like it would be harmless safe bondage, but can be more dangerous than people think?
  • What should never be done even for brief periods under constant supervision?


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