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Awareness -> RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? (4/28/2011 10:09:13 PM)
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ORIGINAL: AneNoz
Never once did I say that the world was in fact run on a basis of politeness, I did say that politeness is the better option. Surely even you can see the difference, no? And I have studied history, what has been does not alter what should be. We have the ability to chose our path, we are not bound to repeat the errors of the past. And my empty-headed idealism has kept my people alive for centuries in a world that has made every effort to eradicate them. *sigh* No. Politeness is merely one aspect of the multi-faceted approach one must have in the prosecution of politics. Politics, is the movement of power in social groups. War is the continuation of politics by other means. Anyone who feels that politeness is a better option will rapidly come to appreciate the foolhardiness of this notion when confronted by an enemy who is prepared to ruthlessly kill and lay waste.
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My notions are not naive, they are based on the teachings of a long line of very wise women, who's understanding of the world and its people exceeds yours. like so many, you fear what you do not understand and so you belittle it so as to make yourself feel superior. It is as I said before. You derive your world-view from a single woman? I derive it from both women and men. Machiavelli, Napoleon, Ovid, Alexander the Great, Sun Tzu, Ninon de L'Enclos, Roosevelt, Mao Tse-Tung, 50 cent. History is replete with lessons to be learned about the nature of humanity, the reality of who we are and the ways in which we gain and lose both personal and political power.
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Then perhaps it would have been wise to have stated such, rather than to simply say subs prefer such and such. I did not realize you considered yourself a sub, so I did not connect the stated preference of subs with you. In the future I will keep in mind that you consider yourself a sub, yet mask yourself as a Dom. This is good to know. *shakes head* Clearly you learn the hard way. Having made the mistake of engaging in one non sequitur, you now commit the sin of engaging in a second.
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There is no self mockery in admitting difficulty understanding a thing said in a foreign language. This is doubly so when the statement made is vague and unclear. But as evidenced by your previous section, it would appear that this is a deliberate thing on your part. You mock yourself by making claims of superiority with no supporting evidence and little understanding of your opponent.
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Perhaps if you had followed the thread, you would have known that I made a statement early in this thread that people hold in contempt that which they fear. You clearly hold submissive men in contempt, and thus fear them on some level. Perhaps their mere existence challenges your misguided ideas regarding the proper place and roles of the sexes. No, I noticed it and dismissed it as nonsense. When you then attempt to imply as much without a shred of supporting evidence, it's a non sequitur. Thus, I treated it with the contempt it deserved and manipulated you into condemning your own tactic.
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I am not incapable of tolerating dissenting opinion, it is you that have repeatedly done so on this thread and others. I am of the belief that all opinions should be accepted and seen on the strength of their merits, not evaluated through a lens of preconception. Nonsense. I responded to the question and have discussed my views with those who sought to make comment on them. However what do you describe as "the strength of their merits"? How can you determine if a view has merit? By the degree to which it accords with your own?
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The mistake which you've made is to presume that because someone has a diametrically opposed world-view to yours, that this says something about who they are as an individual. I have not done so, it is you. I have assumed a fear on your part because your words and stated position reveal such a fear. You have assumed a nonexistent weakness on my part based on an intolerance which you imagined. This is the reason and logic of which you boast. You've inferred fear from your own world-view. Your idea of reason is "If you fear something you hold it in contempt", a position which is perilously unsupported by evidence or reason and readily subject to contradiction by real-world example. It also doesn't take much in the way of imagination to realise that a lesbian dominant is going to have a diametrically opposed world-view to a dominant heterosexual male. Indeed, your characterisation of my approach as machismo - excessive masculinity - reveals a fear and hatred of that masculinity.
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It is not your views that annoyed me, nor your ability to explain them, nor your lack of a need to apologize for them. It is the arrogance with which you expound them and the dismissive nature of your replies. You attempt to insult with every post you make. You may or may not hold the views you claim, but you present them in a way so as to annoy, and this is a deliberate ploy on your part. Perhaps you are but a shit disturber (I hope I have this term correct). No. I'm simply unapologetic and I don't tolerate nonsense of any kind. What you fail to understand is that people with a strong reality present it as truth. In real terms, truth is subjective. In social terms, the strongest reality dominates. I'm not ashamed of my views and I have no fear of stating them without feeling the need to use qualifiers such as "I believe" or "In my humble opinion".
How I reply is a function of the content I'm replying to. There's a frequent automatic assumption on these boards that the viewpoints of women are correct. Thus, female dominants are indulged more frequently than is healthy. Consequently when confronted with a contrary opinion, they reveal their character by responding - as you did - with an unreasoning anger based on their feelings of entitlement.
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It's good you at least understand the concept of self-awareness. I suggest you try applying it. Then ask yourself why you've responded in this way. The answer is less flattering than you'd like to imagine. This I simply had to smile at. Self-awareness and self- examination are the cornerstone of my way of life. I responded in the way I did because I was foolish and allowed your deliberate attempts to provoke to succeed. So yes, I agree the reason is unflattering. Well done. My perception was that your ego responded. The non sequitur I presented to you was a deliberate attempt to provoke - and it was bait. Aside from that, I haven't deliberately provoked, I've simply responded with a very firmly held set of beliefs. The fact that these beliefs are in the minority on these boards is irrelevant to me. I speculate that part of the problem may stem from the fact that female dominants are so used to talking down to men, they react poorly when confronted with one who simply won't tolerate it.
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It saddens me that one must be so bitter and angry in this life which is meant to be a joy. I will pray to My Goddess that you be granted peace and happiness. *grin* Part of the problem with this medium is that it's hard to convey the subtle nuances of tone and facial expression. So when I grin at your response, it's hard to convey that it's honest good humour and bemusement.
I say this because again, our world-views are simply different. Your perception of me lacks insight of course, but I also don't believe that life is "meant" to be anything. I believe it simply is. Life is serendipitous. A happy accident that gives us a brief moment of existence. That brings a multitude of people into existence and puts them through a myriad of experiences. But I will divert from our conflict for a moment to explore one singular idea.
What would you say is the principle source of joy in our lives?
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