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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 12:26:42 PM   
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Im so glad I can report to family and friends over 'ome that this is just a tiny noisy minority making plonkers of themselves

Its probably more than a tiny minority but many that passionately advocate conspiracy do make a lot of noise on the net. They will continue to do so for some time. That's why I see the most important question as being whether or not a substantial number of those that had doubts change their mind with the release of the long form cert. The polls in the near future on the issue should reveal what the story is there.

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 12:46:31 PM   
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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 12:51:29 PM   
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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 12:52:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The biggest problem with the Birther argument, and even those that now insist that the Long Form is faked, is that before Obama could hold ANY elected office, he had to provide verifiable proof that he was actually eligible to hold that office.

Therefore, he had provided enough proof to hold the office as a senator AND as president that clearly was accepted by the powers that be.

Now Realone, as well as the others on this board that insist that the forms that were provided as proof of citizenship were faked seem to forget that each form of ID and proof of citizenship had been verified.

In other words, birthers are idiots.

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 12:54:04 PM   
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No you keep proping up strawmen here typical of your past with me.

I didn't say shit about him needing to present it by any law. (but you love that kinda strawman)

Obama could have released the long form and shut the whole birther movement down in it's tracks way earlier.
He chose not to because it's good politics to keep the wacko fringe of your opponent's side in the spotlight.
If you want to claim your Democraps have some sort of lock on noble motivations I got land to sell you.

You continue with the partisan stuff Joether it's become your stick.
I'll continue to make statements indicting both parties for slime politics since both sides do dirty politics quite well.
nobody has a lock on the dirty politics remember the whole birther things started out in  Hillary's camp not the republicans.

If you're taking Trump seriously as the republican nominee you need medication man. LOL he's got less of a chance than Palin. (please nobody tell her that, she doesn't need to come forward and scuttle the ship again)

2010 Jobs????????? you need to work from some better notes, Jobs had some bearing for sure but 2010 was a referendum on TAXES and Spending not jobs although had there been any jobs then the tea party movement might not have made the progress it made.

Trump won't make it halfway through the primary process, he's not the best the Republicans can field, The best the Republicans can field right now simply can't get the traction right now, but it's still 9 months till the primaries start for real. Unfortunately Romney will likely get the nod (although he's not terrible in my mind he's not the best and he's uninspiring at best.) And thus I'll remain voting for the Libertarian candidate.

As for what they have offered so far it's been a reduced spending (yep they were elected to do that) They succeeded in cutting some fat from the 2011 budget that was left to them from the last Congress thanks to Mr Reid and Ms Pelosi not doing their job.

I don't deny the Republicans have earned their sins I disagree on what they are. I also unlike you recognize the sins of the Democrats and see the damage they have been doing as well.

WSJ article recently illustrated the issue perfectly as not a tax problem but a spending problem.

Confiscate every dollar earned by those who make over $100 K a year leave them not a single dollar to live on and still we have a deficit every year.

(edited to correct for a retraction of the article's statistics made by the WSJ that I had not heard about until just now)

The correct numbers would be more like
"You could take all the money from everyone over $200, 000 and you would just cover the annual deficit."
The WSJ printed a retraction but that didn;t get as much press as the original story.

(end of edited section)

You can't tax your way out of this on the backs of the rich there are not enough of them.
Half a century without the government having any real spending discipline. That includes presidents from both parties and congresses controlled by both parties, and the government trying to pay for more and more things that have always been individual responsibilities and trying to be policemen of the world and the party is over and the bill has arrived.

I get that sometimes things have to be done because nobody else can or will, that does not mean you don't figure out a way to keep from going bankrupt in the process.

It's a spending problem Joether and it always has been and the Democrats are sinfulllllllllllllllllll as hell when it comes to spending. Although I can't say anything good about the past few republican controled congresses either. They spent like nobody's business too. This latest bunch so long as they continue to cut the spending will continue to hold their seats.

Keep with the adult child stick Joether it's funny to read that you believe the Democrats are somehow more mature with their choices of how to spend money we don't have.







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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 1:01:48 PM   
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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 1:50:22 PM   
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The correct numbers would be more like
"You could take all the money from everyone over $200, 000 and you would just cover the annual deficit."
The WSJ printed a retraction but that didn;t get as much press as the original story.

So why not get rid of W's tax cuts, all of them, and return to tax rates that were clearly sustainable and produced jobs?

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 4:51:02 PM   
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The biggest problem with the Birther argument, and even those that now insist that the Long Form is faked, is that before Obama could hold ANY elected office, he had to provide verifiable proof that he was actually eligible to hold that office.

Therefore, he had provided enough proof to hold the office as a senator AND as president that clearly was accepted by the powers that be.

Now Realone, as well as the others on this board that insist that the forms that were provided as proof of citizenship were faked seem to forget that each form of ID and proof of citizenship had been verified.

In other words, birthers are idiots.


nice propaganda hit piece lmao!

there was an article floating around that there was no bc check when he was senator....  so put up er shut up..


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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 5:02:54 PM   
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Obama held that birth certificate until the polls started to shift and he wanted to shift the distraction someplace else.

No, Mr. Obama held the birth certificate because he understood the law (unlike you it seems).
I posted the LAW you ignored it!

63C Am.Jur.2d, Public Officers and Employees, §247

“As expressed otherwise, the powers delegated to a public officer are held in trust for the people and are to be exercised in behalf of the government or of all citizens who may need the intervention of the officer.

MEANING OHAHA HAS A DUTY TO PRESENT IT BEFORE ENTERING OFFICE!

See United States v. Dial, 757 F.2d 163, 168 (7th Cir1985) includes the deliberate concealment of material information in a setting of fiduciary obligation. (likewise for a trustee ,,,  meaning OHAHA) A public official is a fiduciary toward the public, ... and if he deliberately conceals material information from them, he is guilty of fraud. McNally v United States 483 U.S. 350 (1987)



And the candidate Obama DID present that information....BEFORE....he entered office to the proper folks that handle the election. Maybe if you spent less time in your fantasy world and in the real world you would know that. The folks that handle the election will never release a birth certificate to the open masses. Its not their job.

standing up and claiming he is a us citizen is not proper presentment, that is foolishness

Have you given us a link to YOUR birth certificate yet?

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There is this one group of people in our country (i.e. Birthers) who accuse the President of being something he's not. In our country's form of goverment, a man is considered INNOCENT until proven guilty.


As an obvious 2x4 over the hayd example - Take that into a traffic court and see how far it gets you


I have, and won. The officer did not present any real evidence that I had done something incorrectly. Never had to call the three people (who were all sober and drug free at the time) to testify that I was absolutely following the rules of the road. Nor the amount of evidence I had on me. I was innocent of the charge because the person bring fault did not have evidence to support the claim.

well that is not the way most of them go.  you got lucky and either had a decent judge OR the cops case was so weak they had no choice but dimiss the charges

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there is ample reason to doubt it.  Hey hillary was the birther leader what up with this anyway?


You know what theres little doubt of, RO? You presenting a real arguement anytime in the future. Was that the best you can come up with, RO?

If there is reason to doubt it, it certainly is not based on reality. Unfortunately for you and the birthers RO, we folks in the United States have to deal on things in reality. Your arguement matters to me as much as knowing Arthas came from murlocs.

Oh dont take it so hard.  when you dont accept the law you wont accept anything

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yawn....  prove its a fantasy, you make the claim you prove it LOL  suck when it all falls back on you!


Obama says he was born in Hawaii just two years after Hawaii join the other states of the nation. I would assume the process of determining if he could run for office followed the same process as any other candidate and found no problems. Likewise, his named appeared on every ballot without an issue (much to the rage of birthers). He has maintained he is innocent of the birther's arguement. Likewise, the birthers have failed to show evidence 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that is both genuine and verifiable.

well there is more requirements than just popping a zit on the wall.  Taz posted them earlier and I pointed it out and again you do not accept the law.

If you happen to meet this level of evidence, RO, present it. Otherwise, be silent.

ZZZzzzzz  just told you....  read

The President, nor myself, need to have to prove anything to you. If you are not mature enough to accept the reality of it, that's your own problem.


nah lets go find a hitler or stalin to run the country, no need to prove anything!

geezus what a lost cause

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 5:43:34 PM   
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However, since he is clearly at a loss when it comes to filing requirements to run for public office, I shall endeavor to explain it to him, whether he chooses to believe it or not is up to him.

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One of the elementary steps in beginning a candidacy for public office is to make sure that the candidate in fact meets the qualifications for the office sought. Virtually every public office requires that candidates meet requirements regarding the age of the candidate at the time of assuming the office, how long a candidate must have been a U.S. citizen, residency requirements for the district or office sought, and whether the candidate is required to be a licensed and practicing attorney. Obviously, all candidates must be United States citizens but the length of Texas and district residency is not uniform. Minimum age requirements for public office also vary depending upon the office itself. (Example: the office of State Representative requires that the candidate be a Texas resident for 2 years prior to the date of the general election, be a resident of the State Representative district for 1 year during the same period, and be at least 21 years of age at the time the candidate assumes the office upon election.)

Texas Election Laws


This means that the person must provide his birth certificate OR Naturalization papers. Now I would assume that all states have the same basic requirement to file intent to run for office.

This means, for those people in this country with an IQ that is lower than the average rock OR those who insist that President Obama did not actually prove his citizenship when he ran for the senate, it is a requirement under STATE and FEDERAL law that all requirements must be met in order to be on the fucking ballot. This means that the Election board of Commissioners must be satisfied that the person has met ALL the requirements to be on the ballot.

This is true for all states.

So for the birthers out there, considering that the documentation must presented in each state to run for the office of president, even to run in the primaries, the conspiracy theory that President Obama somehow slipped through with out proving his citizenship and meeting the requirements to be on the ballot is absurd to say the least, complete idiocy in truth.

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 6:01:12 PM   
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I wasn't familiar with Barry Soetoro and found this on snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

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So the whole 'birther' argument that 'Barry Sotero' who had renounced his citizenship to get a scholarship is a GASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSP fraud?

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People who drink lite beer dont like the taste of beer. they just like to pee a lot.



I love how the after-birthers chase these things like pieces lint on the breeze.

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 6:33:05 PM   
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Obama held that birth certificate until the polls started to shift and he wanted to shift the distraction someplace else.

Allowing the birther thing to continue served his purposes. I always wondered why the birthers were so dim that they didn't see that the issue was hurting the right more than the left from the start. It was a bright move by the President, it helped him more than it hurt him for how many years?

I agree with the President that Trump is in essence a carnival barker at a sideshow, though. Whoever wrote that line for the teleprompter in chief needs a raise.

For some birthers the new long form will never satisfy them, I've agreed with the idea since the start that after the inauguration, those who wanted Obama out myself included needed to focus the attention on the 2010 and 2012 elections.

You know that it's against Hawaiian law to release the certificates to just anyone who wanders along, right? From the AP:

"HONOLULU – Until this week, Hawaii officials said they wouldn't release original birth records for anyone, under any circumstances. Even if it was President Barack Obama. Then they heard from the president himself.

"I am writing to request two certified copies of my original certificate of live birth," the president wrote on White House letterhead, dated April 22.

State officials then decided to make an exception to a 2001 policy that prohibited anyone from getting a photocopy of an original birth certificate. They usually hand out computer-generated versions....
On April 22, Obama and his personal attorney wrote letters to Health Director Loretta Fuddy. In them, they argued that a waiver would allow Obama to make public his original birth certificate and relieve the state from the burdens that came with the repeated inquiries.

"We hope that issuing certified copies of the original certificate of live birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawaii," Fuddy said in a prepared statement Wednesday.

Fuddy said she viewed the records and that they "further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii."

After Fuddy approved the exception, Obama's attorney, Judith L. Corley, picked up the documents in Hawaii and carried them back to Washington on a plane. The documents arrived around 5 p.m. Tuesday. State law prohibits the release of birth records except to those with a "tangible interest," such as the person named."
The teleprompter  meme is really getting old.  Obama and Clinton are the only presidents lately that have spoken coherently in open forums, without teleprompters.  Teleprompter use goes back to Eisenhower.

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 7:43:38 PM   
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I made a mistake and took Realone off ignore and instantly regretted it.


yeh the last thing you want is someone throwing law in your face LMAO


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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 9:57:35 PM   
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Or we could talk about how Trump buys all his hotel amenities (shampoo, towels, etc etc etc) from China.... what a fucking hypocrite. A nasty, butt ugly human being from the inside out.

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/28/2011 10:59:17 PM   
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Donald Trump is repulsive. I hope the GOP nominates him. The man has to pay for sex because no woman in her right mind would do this man. He looks like a baboon's butt. His comb over is so bizarre in not only its shape, but its orangey color, but what is even more freaky is that his skin is the same color. This begs the question: if Trump is so wealthy can't he afford real hair dye, and why is he using tan-in-a-can on his nasty doo. There is only one man on TV currently that sports a worse hairstyle, and that is Gene Simmons.


Or we could talk about how Trump buys all his hotel amenities (shampoo, towels, etc etc etc) from China.... what a fucking hypocrite. A nasty, butt ugly human being from the inside out.

I`m for Donold Chump winning the GOP nod in the same way I was for Sarah and her grampa getting it.

Sarah and the donald would make a great pairing.He would be his control freak self and she would be her out of control self.



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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/29/2011 3:35:16 AM   
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Seems according to some who post here, you can get a passport in the US merely by claiming you are a US citizen.

Seems, also, according to some you can sit for the bar and get a license to pratice law by merely claiming you are a US citizen.

But, then again, you would have to hold a professional license of any sort before you realize just how much you have to prove who you are before they give you that license.

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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/29/2011 6:31:34 AM   
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Donald Trump is repulsive. I hope the GOP nominates him. The man has to pay for sex because no woman in her right mind would do this man. He looks like a baboon's butt. His comb over is so bizarre in not only its shape, but its orangey color, but what is even more freaky is that his skin is the same color. This begs the question: if Trump is so wealthy can't he afford real hair dye, and why is he using tan-in-a-can on his nasty doo. There is only one man on TV currently that sports a worse hairstyle, and that is Gene Simmons.


Or we could talk about how Trump buys all his hotel amenities (shampoo, towels, etc etc etc) from China.... what a fucking hypocrite. A nasty, butt ugly human being from the inside out.
 

You forgot his wonderful new Gardner White commercials. I'm sorry but I have a hard time taking a man seriously as the next president when he pops on the tv late at night to try and sell me a mattress.




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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/29/2011 6:37:04 AM   
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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/29/2011 6:39:50 AM   
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FR,

I wasn't familiar with Barry Soetoro and found this on snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

KK

So the whole 'birther' argument that 'Barry Sotero' who had renounced his citizenship to get a scholarship is a GASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSP fraud?

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People who drink lite beer dont like the taste of beer. they just like to pee a lot.



I love how the after-birthers chase these things like pieces lint on the breeze.


After-birthers, isn't that cute. Did they teach you that one at the playground? And you even figured out how to use it in a sentence. Well done 059, keep up the good work


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RE: Long form birth certificate released. - 4/29/2011 7:31:04 AM   
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Poor birthers.....now they too have you to defend them.

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