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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/28/2011 6:12:29 PM   
AneNoz


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lol..., there was nothing blank about my son when he arrived - he had personality to spare!
I concur. My daughter fairly bubbled with a unique personality as well.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/29/2011 5:09:08 AM   
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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/29/2011 5:15:49 AM   
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I think not, a true sub became submissive by nature before they were 6.


I disagree, Foot longs are equally not submissive.
I set it down, I chastise, I yell at it, I beat it, I woo it, but that damned BMT just won't obey.
I bet it's cause the banana peppers make it sassy


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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/29/2011 11:31:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		you can teach someone to be a sub but will they feel it deeply will they respond naturally or will it all be learnt responses

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/29/2011 12:15:53 PM   
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you can teach someone to be a sub but will they feel it deeply will they respond naturally or will it all be learnt responses

See, I think this is a tricky line of reasoning. Carol submits as a general part of her personality. It is tempting to say all those "I submit only to one" people are not acting "naturally" -- certainly when you look at it in that light. But then I stop and think "who on earth deliberately creates an unnatural relationship for themselves?" I'm all for "a submissive is a person who submits." A "healthy submissive" is one for whom that decision works out favorably. A "natural" submissive is another way to say "true submissive". I prefer not to complicate it with a bajillion rules for what counts as "true or natural submission".


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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/29/2011 8:33:27 PM   
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Here is a fact; we are all born a blank sheet of paper.


This statement is not a fact.  Studies show that genetics play an important role in personality development.  You may wish to read some academic publications before engaging in armchair psychology.



Dunno bout that all the reading Ive done shows there is a quite a debate among the scientific community re personality traits and genetics. You maybe referring to psychical traits.


There is debate over how much of personality development is based on genetic vs. environmental factors and in what way genetic traits affect personality.  [b]However, there is research indicating that genetic factors do have a significant influence on later personality development.  So, to claim that we are all "blank slates" at birth is inaccurate. 
 
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lol..., there was nothing blank about my son when he arrived - he had personality to spare!

 
Mine too!  Heck, both of mine started displaying personalities before birth. 


That statement makes no sense. Your claiming that genetics in your personality "later" in life...so how does that "exclude" being born with a blank slate"? As they are not mutually exclusive.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/29/2011 9:04:07 PM   
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That statement makes no sense. Your claiming that genetics in your personality "later" in life...so how does that "exclude" being born with a blank slate"? As they are not mutually exclusive.


Either you do not understand what "blank slate" means or you have a vastly different definition of it than any I have ever seen.  If a personality trait is influenced by genetics, then environment will have little, if any, impact on its development.  For example, identical twins separated at birth or in very early childhood (before age 5) have been shown to develop similar personality traits despite being raised in completely different environments.  This means the slate was not blank at birth.  The trait was already present in the personality and become observable as the person grew older. 

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/29/2011 9:12:13 PM   
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Passive observation:  some of you could benefit from an Intro To Psychology course.


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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/29/2011 9:35:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Edward Wilson has done interesting work regarding the question of 'social genetics' and what part is plays in the development of personalities and responses to social norms.

The Atlantic had an interesting (at least to me) article on it too. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/12/the-science-of-success/7761/

I'd agree that personalities are basically formed by age 5 or 6 but what that personality turns out to be is shaped by many different influences within nature and nurture.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/30/2011 12:53:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		What if a Dom/Domme had a moral duty to teach what his/her Sub needs to develop the hidden potential? By nature, the propensities of the sub are then worked on to bring a positive outcome and at the same time the Dom has to reflect on what it is he/she can give. The powerplay is then enhanced as for the ones interested in bettering them selves all is set up for growth and balance. If there is imbalance maybe the Dom is just seeking a thrill, an ego booster, or the sub a crutch to lean on excessively.
Lots of people I talked to mentioned that in the lifestyle what is great is the deeper sense of connection. If teaching is just a conditioning of a higher will on a weaker one then we are talking slavery, aren't we?
So I listen.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 4/30/2011 3:05:32 AM   
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With the right motivation, one can teach anyone to be darn near anything. Conditioned resonse and all that...


I am gonna teach you to spell, where is my cattle prod......?


Ron, the problem might be what is known as "one hand on twat and one hand on the keyboard" perhaps she can spell perfectly fine. LOL She could even be using the mouse on the seat of her chair, right between the space where her legs are spread wide. Ummmm... wonder if there's a market for vibrating mice. Then again, it might have to compete with vibrating cell phones. I wonder how many people have those stuck under their crotches while sitting at a desk chair or driving an automobile. (Just sayin some thoughts for the sake of sayin it)... LOL

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 5/2/2011 12:45:01 PM   
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That statement makes no sense. Your claiming that genetics in your personality "later" in life...so how does that "exclude" being born with a blank slate"? As they are not mutually exclusive.


Either you do not understand what "blank slate" means or you have a vastly different definition of it than any I have ever seen.  If a personality trait is influenced by genetics, then environment will have little, if any, impact on its development.  For example, identical twins separated at birth or in very early childhood (before age 5) have been shown to develop similar personality traits despite being raised in completely different environments.  This means the slate was not blank at birth.  The trait was already present in the personality and become observable as the person grew older. 


You so dont get it perhaps I should type slower... Your saying genetics plays a role "later" in life. using your statement... My point is your early life could be a blank slate. sheesh. I get the impression that you cut n paste statements without understanding them.

Im not the sharper kinfe in the drawer.... But I have a complete understanding of what "later in life" means. If you need to I can explain it to you sometime.

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RE: can you teach a sub to be a sub - 5/2/2011 12:55:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Teaching a sub to be a sub ... interesting question.

My experience with teaching anything is the issue of if the person is ready to learn said subject. Even I learn this way. One can force or compel someone to behave "x" way but have they really learned? I can teach a slave an oath of intent as a slave but that does not mean that it will teach them the focus it needs to be a slave.

This element alone is what makes trial sessions between the Master and the slave worth the time. Masters trial slaves; but the slave is also trialing the Master too!

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