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LondonLock -> Paint ball (4/30/2011 5:53:57 AM)

I have recently heard about using pain balls for torture devices as they deliver a fixed amount of pain each time and dont break the skin, how ever paint balls can be very messy, so has any one found anything similar.


I dont want to damage any slave even temporarily, so I am asking advice

Would a BB gun shot / multiple shots break human skin, I know damage to the face is bad but what bout the rest of the body. would I be able to strap up a slave put a gas mask/ helmet on them and shoot them across the room (say 15 foot)

Discuss?



bayareaguy707 -> RE: Paint ball (4/30/2011 6:34:37 PM)

In my experience they do easily break the skin. They can equal that of a .22 cal. There is Airsoft guns but know very little about them.



Zephyr46 -> RE: Paint ball (5/1/2011 11:20:00 AM)

A quick bit of info about airsoft guns.  They shoot a plastic bb that is larger (6 mm) than a copper bb.

They have three main types, spring powered, electric powered and gas (co2) powered.

Most are rated in FPS.... feet per second.... muzzle velocity.  The lower the FPS the less energy less range and less damage.

Spring is lowest powered, electric is next and co2 can really do damage.

Spring powered can put dents in corrugated cardboard from 15 feet but won't go through it. Having been hit by a spring powered airsoft bb, I can tell you it does hurt and it will leave a bruise.

Electric powered can go right through a single layer of cardboard at 30 feet and will put dents in a pine board. Based on my experience with spring powered, I am not about to try the electric powered on myself.

I have no experience with the gas powered weapons but I don't believe I would recommend them for the purpose described since they tend to be more powerful than either of the other two.

I hope this might help make an informed decision.



thishereboi -> RE: Paint ball (5/1/2011 11:23:49 AM)

That's an interesting idea. Why don't you have a good friend shoot you a couple of times and let us know how it works out.[:)]



vield -> RE: Paint ball (5/1/2011 11:52:59 AM)

We have had events where subs get hunted in the woods by others at BDSM events. This can involve airsoft or paintball guns. It also involves requiring serious eye protection. Eye protection and some degree of body armor is widely available because there are a lot of actual paintball fighting vanilla groups in different parts of the country, so there is an industry making this stuff.

LOL there can also be service or use consequences to those captured or "wounded" if that is all consented to in advance by those involved.

Zephyr46 is quite correct about the types of guns and the power levels. Most paintball guns use a .69 caliber paintball, which is quite heavy and delivers an impact similar to a thick heavy rattan cane. At 15 feet the bruising will be very significant. At 60 feet it still may be significant.

I have also watched scenes where the subbie was perforated with blow gun darts, and wacked with little 6 mm blow gun paint balls and airsoft pellets. Obviously dart piecings can do damage, so the "victim" needs protective coverings over some body parts too besides the eyes and head. Bear in mind that the sights on any of this stuff are crude, so one needs to be aware that a miss which misses your backstop may ricochet in unexpected directions.

Do not EVER use one of these steel darts with a pellet gun or BB gun on a human target. I have seen them go clear through a 1/2 inch thick pine plank at about 50 yards. They can also go clear through a rabbit.

Of the least dangerous airsoft spring fired guns there is still a big variation in spring power between different models. Some will be very mild, others quite intense, using the same ammo at the same distance. I would test one by firing at cardboard boxes at my test distance to see the dents made. One gun might not even ticle a pain slut, another of similar type might be quite intennse indeed.

Any paintballs will be heavier and have a bit more impact at the same distance then airsoft plastic. They will NOT shoot to the same point of aim, some just like with the real stuff, you need to sight in your equipment.

Paintballs are also going to be messy, so if you are playing inside you need to be aware of that. They can also damage TV or computer monitor screens, windows, and other glass.



myotherself -> RE: Paint ball (5/1/2011 11:58:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That's an interesting idea. Why don't you have a good friend shoot you a couple of times and let us know how it works out.[:)]


pics or it didn't happen! [:D]



wulfgarw -> RE: Paint ball (5/1/2011 6:19:38 PM)

How about the nerf weapons?  A pair of safety glasses and you're set to go.



weaselwelder -> RE: Paint ball (5/1/2011 9:29:04 PM)

I suggest that you play with paintball or airsoft in a vanilla setting first to get a better idea what they can do with a bunch of people that have experience readily at hand.



Termyn8or -> RE: Paint ball (5/1/2011 11:03:14 PM)

FR

"That's an interesting idea. Why don't you have a good friend shoot you a couple of times and let us know how it works out"

^that

Don't dish it out out if you can't fucking take it. BTW I have been shot by a REAL gun.

I don't know what else to say.

T^T



LondonLock -> RE: Paint ball (5/3/2011 1:52:45 PM)

I have been hit with pain balls on the fore head where the rubber mask joins the skull. It hurt and left a bruise / lump for 3 days. I have also been hit by several but through a pair of jeans. I am not thinking of launching 20/30 of these at a slave, rather using up to 5 for punishment of disobedience.



mummyman321 -> RE: Paint ball (5/3/2011 5:04:59 PM)

I really have to say this is just a bad idea. The problem with small projectiles is they can do hidden damage even without breaking the skin. So it is possible to burst a vein or an artery without breaking skin. The high velocity versus small impact area does not allow the force to be distributed enough to guarentee safe play.

Paddling, whipping, flogging all typically break the surface blood vessels and mainly the small capillary veins.

Basic science is that force is equal to mass times the acceleration of the object. The pressure on the body from impact is equal to the force of the object divided by the area of the impact. In this case the area would be 1/2 the surface of a .177 caliper BB. Most BBs are now 0.172 inches in diameter. This would yield a surface area of .046 inches squared for 1/2 the BB. If the BB gun puts out 22 pounds of force (mass times acceleration) and this is a common force range, then the resulting PSI on impact is 478 pounds. This force is high enough to do internal damage to a variaty of body parts without ever breaking the skin.

Sorry to get scientific. But this is just a bad idea. There is no way to guarentee safe play. You could hurt your partner and not even know it.



Termyn8or -> RE: Paint ball (5/3/2011 6:09:58 PM)

FR

The projectile is not rock solid, that will limit the concentration of the force.

I thought it was paint balls at one time but....

"I am not thinking of launching 20/30 of these at a slave, rather using up to 5 for punishment of disobedience."

The only way I can think really is to only hit her in the ass.

In any case, stay away from the head or any other soft spots.

Hey, after someone brought up tear gas in here, this is nothing. I'm waiting for the flame thrower thread.

T^T



txironhead -> RE: Paint ball (5/3/2011 8:40:08 PM)

Hmm, would flame throwers fall under "fire play" or "weapons fetish"?

Okay, as someone that has participated in paintball wars, I can tell you that the areas that MUST be protected, without exception, are eyes (generally the whole face is a good idea), ears, temples, front and back of neck and to some extent upper chest and kidneys.  The reason for the latter is there have been cases of a direct shot to the heart causing complications, and shots to the kidneys causing small ruptures.

The spring-loaded "el cheapo" airsoft guns are, in my opinion, generally safe.  These are not the ones that run $30 at the sporting goods store, these are the $10 and less types sold at novelty stores or Wal-Mart.  I say this from experience, as I have been shot in most major parts of the body (yes, including the balls) in "wars" with family members.  With these, eye protection was the major issue, and we used the inexpensive safety glasses available at most hardware stores. (heck, I use those as motorcycle glasses, shatterproof and tinted, and they have some nice styles now)  The most damage I ever sustained from a "cheap" airsoft gun shot was a small bruise, but they do sting.  Just stay away from the head and neck and you should be fine, but as with any toy, I highly recommend testing it on your leg or forearm first.  And yes, spring tension does vary.  Also, the paintballs available for airsoft guns don't sting as much as the plastic pellets, and aren't as messy as their .67 caliber big brothers.

Another important point:  cheap guns come with basic, light, cheap ammo.  Heavier and more "well made" ammo is available, and each different type of ammo will have different results.  I found that firing the white "target" shot from Academy hurt worse at close range, but due to the extra weight lost a LOT of range and accuracy with the weaker, cheap guns.

With any paintball, bb, pellet or airsoft gun, they are NOT going to be super accurate at long range.  Rifling is what makes professional (aka lethal) weapons accurate, and the majority of air, electric or spring "weapons" are smooth bore.  Regardless of sights, be aware that you need to be close for an "accurate" shot, so some target practice with cardboard would be recommended.

I remember reading a story long ago of a masochist that loved having grapes and cherry tomatoes fired at him with a slingshot.  I guess that would be considered "going green".



EclipseAbove -> RE: Paint ball (5/5/2011 4:11:44 PM)

I would certainly classify using a paintball gun in the extreme but doable category. I watched a guy at a local club use a 4 foot blow gun on his sub with some kind of hard rubber projectile at a distance of about 10 or 15 feet. Her reaction and the marks left behind (instant black and blue welts) looked a lot like stray paintball shots that hit bare skin. Of course the guy was extremely accurate with the blow gun, which allowed him to minimize the danger of internal damage, etc. I don't know if you can get that kind of accuracy with a paintball gun. Without the accuracy, the risks go up significantly.



gothikbutterfly -> RE: Paint ball (5/5/2011 4:28:00 PM)

Those paintball thingies hurt! Took one to the butt, and had a welt for a couple of days, not to mention it stained my clothes and no amount of scrubbing could get it out.



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