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Aneirin -> Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 1:59:33 PM)
Quite simply do you trust politicians and in that believe what they say ? And, if you do, why ?

Termyn8or -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 2:26:11 PM)
No. In fact I don't think it's appropiate to use those two words in the same sentence, like extra and money. T^T

Aneirin -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 4:03:11 PM)
I agree, but I just thought to put the words together seeing as many who post on these forums seem to believe in a choice politician to get the country out of the mess they perceive it to be in. But seeing as it is yourself that replied and not any of the believers, I wonder if the words trust and politician have caused some of those caught up in the furore and razamataz to think.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 5:34:55 PM)
I don't trust politicians from either party.

subfever -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 5:36:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Quite simply do you trust politicians and in that believe what they say ? And, if you do, why ? Politicians can't tell the whole truth. If they did, we'd have total chaos.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 5:47:26 PM)
Heck, sub, they rarely tell even part of the truth LOL

MissImmortalPain -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 5:57:00 PM)
I "trust" politicians in the same manner that I trust used car sales men. You know they are going to sell you something. You know they aren't going to tell you the (whole) truth. You also know if you don't let one lie to you then you will just end up letting another one do it.

Lucylastic -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 6:02:45 PM)
they all lie, every party, every country, you know when a politician is lying? his lips are moving yeah the joke is older than me and you know, why? because its true

pahunkboy -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 6:06:52 PM)
In a way it is better if they are not working- less damage that way.

subfever -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 6:34:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Heck, sub, they rarely tell even part of the truth LOL [:D] This is true, but we do hear smidgens of truth every now and then. Furthermore, I feel in a generous mood tonight, and don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater... [;)]

subfever -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 7:00:27 PM)
Since this thread is obviously headed in a negative "politicians suck" direction, I'll provide a rare example of a politician telling the truth. In my opinion, within the realm of politicians, intentionally exposing the truth carries equal weight as actually telling the truth. Ron Paul looked Ben Bernanke right in the eyes when he asked Ben how can the problem of excessive debt be solved with... more debt. Now, just because Mr. Paul told the truth doesn't mean that I endorse Mr. Paul or even endorse a political solution. I merely point out this rare example of truth within the context of this thread. Frankly, I think it's absurd that most people recognize politicans are 99% full of shit, and yet these same people worship the very political structure itself!

Selectivelight -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 8:39:43 PM)
I trust all politicians - to do exactly as I expect. They'd sell their own mothers into slavery (not the good kind) if it would further their ambitions. The sad thing is, the only alternative I see that could possibly change this is ... well... horrific, violent, and bloody. I'm glad I'm not the one people flock to for that kind of leadership. I have enough on my conscience.

subfever -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 10:09:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Selectivelight I trust all politicians - to do exactly as I expect. They'd sell their own mothers into slavery (not the good kind) if it would further their ambitions. The sad thing is, the only alternative I see that could possibly change this is ... well... horrific, violent, and bloody. I'm glad I'm not the one people flock to for that kind of leadership. I have enough on my conscience. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that what you are saying is this: No, I don't worship the political structure. However, I'm willing to accept the corrupt system primarily because I fear the alternative even more than the corrupt system itself. I don't believe that a peaceful change for the betterment of the people is possible.

Zonie63 -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 10:29:54 PM)
I think some politicians might have started out decent, entering politics for the right reasons. But after a while, some get fed up with it and go back to private life, while others might be so overwhelmed by all the bullshit that they just give in and sell out. The voting public doesn't make it any easier, either. They don't want politicians who will tell them the truth. They just want reassurances that everything is going to be alright.

joether -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 10:38:05 PM)
Most of you are stating that you dont trust politicians. Your welcome to your viewpoint, but do consider the following. Trust is simply faith that something you have no control over will do/be/become something that favors you. People say they trust in God. They have no control over God, but they have faith that God's actions/will/being will be a benefit to them. Likewise, it is hard for people to place their trust in someone else's hands, that they do not even know. And yet every day and each night, the country is protected by millions local, state, and federal folks in numerous capacities (i.e. police, ICE, etc). Not only that, but the country is protected by the entire US Militiary. So what seperates this huge number of people from that of a politican? There are many military folks who cant tell us what...REALLY....happen in such-and-such place on such-and-such date; yet, we give them full trust that it was for our own good. Why do we not trust a politician? Have any of you every inquired to one of these politicians that you dont trust, if they honestly dont trust you either? Trust is sometimes a two-way street. As it stands, people are borderline hostile towards politicians at times, and other times it not even the fault of the person but a failure on the people to be knowledgable on the subject matter. The politician could have explained it, but, the people, don't trust him, so the information (which could be spot on and accurate) is ignored infavor of the fear of being 'suckered' because of a past politician. I trust my representative, because I actually talk to her. She is pretty nice, very intelligent and quite knowledgable on a variety of subject matters (both for her job and outside of it). Yes I do not agree with EVERY single thing she does or states, but that is because gasp we both are AMERICANS. We practically invented the concept "we have the right to disagree". Not only are we Americans but we are also gasp Individuals. You want everyone to think like you? Join a cult or take the stones in your yard and call them your tribe. You don't trust your elected offical, I suspect its more to do with your ignorance and/or insecurities then it has to do with the politician themselves. You want to have a nice looking yard? You can either run aimlessly around in it, flailing your arms about, screaming at the top of your lungs while foaming at the mouth. Or you could take the time to work on the yard personally. Make a plan, get the tools and such, and make it a reality. You want to have good goverment, then you have to work at it personally. Screaming ignorant and useless crap, and thundering blame on a politican never seems to work in the past. So why don't you get involve in the process of improving it?

juliaoceania -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 10:38:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Quite simply do you trust politicians and in that believe what they say ? And, if you do, why ? No.... I learned a long time ago that following people will leave you disillusioned, whereas following your principles never does.

subfever -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (4/30/2011 10:45:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I think some politicians might have started out decent, entering politics for the right reasons. But after a while, some get fed up with it and go back to private life, while others might be so overwhelmed by all the bullshit that they just give in and sell out. Yes, I agree with the possibilities you have presented. quote: The voting public doesn't make it any easier, either. They don't want politicians who will tell them the truth. They just want reassurances that everything is going to be alright. Hmm... do you really think so? What do you think folks? As long as politicians make you feel assured that everything will be alright, it's okay if they lie to you?

Aneirin -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (5/1/2011 3:50:23 AM)
People talk of an alternative to voting, that being not voting, I wonder what would happen if at the polls no one bothered to turn up to vote. Over here our voting process, it has been seen that only about fifty percent of those eligible to vote do vote, which means around about half of the voting public cannot be bothered and this is being seen as a worrying trend as it shows fifty percent of the voting public are disillusioned with the system. I was once told that we must vote, because if we didn't it would leave the way open to the nutters who also sought power, but as people seem to seek change and consistantly don't get it, allowing the nutters access to power via not voting will be change. but then who are the nutters and are they any worse than what we have been having since the start of it all. I myself have also now lost faith in the voting system and government and that because I believe I and many others were duped by a certain politician who stood out above the rest and actually made a pledge and later broke that pledge whence he found himself in power, other politicians said he was foolish to make a promise, which leads me to think those that said he was foolish are coniving liars and not worthy on public trust because they never do what they say they are going to do, they have revealed themselves as not interested in the voting public beyond their vote, in which they lie and conive to obtain.

thishereboi -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (5/1/2011 4:03:33 AM)
Nope[8D]

tweakabelle -> RE: Politicians and Trust ? (5/1/2011 5:59:53 AM)
Having some direct experience of the political process can be an eye-opener. Some years ago I did - and it certainly changed my mind. Up to that point, I shared the cynical 'don't trust them under any circumstances' attitude. The reality was quite different I discovered. The matter involved was a human rights issue for a despised minority. There was no gain in it for anyone outside the minority concerned - no votes for the politicians but plenty of potential lost votes. The arguments we put to the politicians were purely moral - You have to do this because it's the right/moral thing to do, it's a matter of human rights'. Eventually our efforts were successful and legislation was passed to address the issues we advocated. I found that some of the politicians I met conformed to the stereotype - venal, conniving, calculating, devoid of principle. Others were open to persuasion and some positively enthusiastic. On the whole the women listened and acted far better than the men but far from always. The Left was far more sympathetic than the Right, but there were people on the Right whose commitment to human rights was real and were sincerely supportive. The most objectionable single person was an extreme Left-winger, and an out gay man to boot. The one who inspired most confidence in me was an Independent woman who happens to be a practising Catholic. The higher-up they were the more guarded and calculating they tended to be in my experience. So my experience tells me that it's just as important to judge the character of the person in a politician as it is in any thing else. It is possible to change things - if you're prepared to put the requisite time and effort into it. And when you try you will meet some politicians who will be sincere and committed to improving peoples' lives. My guess is that my experience is pretty typical. I see no reason for me to assume otherwise.

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