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anthrosub -> The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/9/2004 3:46:05 PM)

i've had many thoughts about my experience as a submissive male over the years. Something nags me just below the surface every time i come on the boards and start reading threads where the subject is about the submissive male, how he should behave, what he needs to understand, where he should place his efforts in meeting a Domme, and so forth. This post is an attempt to express some of my thoughts.

i've been involved in BDSM at various levels on and off for roughly 10 years and rather intensely focused on finding a partner for going on 3 years now. In addition to those periods i've been privileged to serve, i've tried with all my heart to learn what it means to be submissive through reading the boards, researching articles, and participating in online discussion. i state this as a way of establishing some credibility with what i'm about to write.

The BDSM community can be viewed as a subset of the general population at large...most often referred to as "vanilla." Since almost all have grown up from childhood learning the norms and mores established by the vanilla world, it's no surprise that when one begins the journey into BDSM, the initial steps will be a rocky road at best. There will be assumptions and misconceptions that need to be stripped away, an immediate need to understand the protocols and dialect, and periods of introspection that will of necessity need to be revisited again and again.

Some already know this, but it's important for the uninitiated to learn very quickly that if they are going to declare themselves to be a submissive (male), they have some serious connotations they need to distance themselves from as soon as possible. Males are viewed as irresponsible, insincere, self-serving, sex addicts for the most part. This is probably more the case when trying to communicate online rather than in person. The anonymity the Internet provides, emboldens males to let their hormones guide their behavior more often than not and this is unfortunate for those of sincere intent.

Another major pitfall a submissive male must contend with is "who's the authority?" The short answer is nobody. Every Domme has a unique perspective on how a submissive male should behave in spite of commonly held protocols and established beliefs. But what's more important is the fact that, online, there's no way to tell if the Domme one is speaking to has any real experience of her own. Unfortunately, the majority of Dommes online are no more experienced than the submissive is and most are simply regurgitating what they themselves have read or heard is the way a Domme should behave.

This is further complicated by the unique wants and needs of both parties when contact is initiated. What is it that each person is really looking for? How capable are they in communicating who they are? What assumptions do they have and how willing are they to work towards finding the common ground wherein both will be able to interact? If these questions cannot be answered at the outset, then the whole meeting process will quickly become a muddle.

What this means for the submissive male is there's a HUGE learning curve to deal with. i feel the following suggestions will go far in helping a sincere submissive male to establish his credibility.

1. You are first a human being, trying to get your needs met while at the same time trying to learn how to go about it properly. Until you "submit" without question to a Domme you have met who wishes to assume control over you, you are not beholding to anyone. Speaking respectfully to a Domme is not submission and although you may feel a strong compulsion to do so, do not give in to the temptation to be Dominated right away. You disrespect yourself and the Domme in the process.

2. If you haven't already begun to do so, start thinking about what it means to submit. Ask yourself simple, small questions about what the life of a submissive is like. If done with care, you will realize there are things you are responsible for learning on your own. The more you develop a sense of who you are, the more that will be evident when interacting with the Dommes you will make contact with.

3. Develop the ability to spot Dommes who have no sense of themselves. These people are the flip side of a clueless submissive male. Depending on their sincerity (which you have no way of knowing initially), they can be dangerous at worst or give you inaccurate direction at best. This is not to say they are bad people...just like you, they could be just starting out. What's important is whether they are capable of being honest and up front about it.

4. Understand and accept that a genuine submissive male has begun a journey that requires education. Educate yourself by doing research. In addition to learning what it means to submit, do not make the mistake of overlooking what it is you will be doing for your Domme once you have surrendered. What can you do? What skills do you have? Where can you learn more?

5. Be true to yourself and honest with the Domme who would take you. Although you are assuming a submissive "role" this does not mean it has no substance or you can take it for granted. The life of a submissive male is not automatic. Get in touch with the core of your being and let that show in how you conduct yourself. A submissive male is NOT a doormat but rather a resource. You should value yourself and the gift of submission you offer. Conversely, it should be quite evident the Domme recognizes this as well. If not, you are wasting your own gift.

i hope these words will be helpful to anyone who reads them. They are my views and opinions and not to be taken as an attempt on my part to dictate to others.

Sincerely,
anthrosub




Suleiman -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/9/2004 6:02:07 PM)

Thank you, Anthrosub, for your thoughts on this subject. I am of the opinion that the ideas you have expressed are useful to more than simply the submissive men in our community, and personally I found them nicely thought provoking, both for the areas where I agree, and also where I disagree.





MaitresseEden -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/10/2004 8:43:43 AM)

WOW!.... It is so refreshing to see a sub that gets it!. WHY hasn't someone snatched you up yet is beyond me. This post needs to be read by all submissives.

Awesome job!

Ms.Eden




LadyAngelika -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/10/2004 8:55:33 AM)

anthro, you brilliant, brilliant man.

Thank you for this. I think it will be helpful for a lot of submissive men who need to get in touch with themselves.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

WOW!.... It is so refreshing to see a sub that gets it!. WHY hasn't someone snatched you up yet is beyond me. This post needs to be read by all submissives.


Why someone has not snatched him Eden, is simple...

He gets it. There is no fooling him and for any Domme trying to get by on intimidation based in her own insecurity (lets face it, there are many out there), she will never be able to hold credibility with anthro. He needs a strong woman who won’t be afraid of his strong submissive nature and who will not attempt to crush him as an individual. My kind of sub!

- LA




MaitresseEden -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/10/2004 8:58:13 AM)

quote:


Why someone has not snatched him Eden, is simple...

He gets it. There is no fooling him and for any Domme trying to get by on intimidation based in her own insecurity (lets face it, there are many out there), she will never be able to hold credibility with anthro. He needs a strong woman who won’t be afraid of his strong submissive nature and who will not attempt to crush him as an individual. My kind of sub!



Mine TOO!





LadyAngelika -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/10/2004 4:13:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
My kind of sub!


quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden
Mine TOO!


Are we gonna fight for him or share him? <weg>

- LA




MaitresseEden -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/10/2004 4:54:41 PM)

quote:


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Are we gonna fight for him or share him? <weg>

- LA



We can share... Which end do you want?. They both have so much potential!!!! <evil Grin>


Not to make light of a serious topic and a well thought out post. Seriously speaking. I think ALL subs should have to read this and I plan on referreing all that I talk with to this thread. I'm surprised by the lack of comments from other subs in regards to this.

Ms. Eden.




Suleiman -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/10/2004 8:07:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

I'm surprised by the lack of comments from other subs in regards to this.

Ms. Eden.


I'm not. What more could be added?




strongnsubmissiv -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/10/2004 8:50:20 PM)

anthro what a wonderful post. It often seems quite a challenge to change the attitudes of dominant women from some stereotypical views the hngs and fakes have seemed to earn us. The community could use more like you for sure, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but i'd say the only thing that i really don't put much stock into, is the idea that my submission is a gift. To me it almost sounds a little one sided. I mean, my gift of submission is just as meaningful as Her gift to me, which is nurturing my submission within. Compatible people, regardless of lifestyle will always come together and benifit each other in a complimentary fashion. To label what i bring to the table as a "gift", (for me anyway) just takes things a little too far. Unless of course, what She brings to the table is a gift as well. It's just funny how Her "gift" always seems to get overlooked when this topic comes up.

Great post.... very nice to have some like minded boys around.

sns




anthrosub -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/10/2004 9:25:10 PM)

strongnsubmissiv,
i understand Your point but wish to point out this post is focusing on what it means to be a submissive male. i wanted to keep the scope from expanding beyond some of the more immediate and salient issues in that regard. Naturally, this is only the tip of the iceberg in what needs to be learned and who a Domme is and what value she brings is not meant to be negated by having done so. But i thank you for mentioning it.

anthrosub




ChrisGreen -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/25/2004 8:48:00 PM)

It is a challenge to admit to oneself that one is submissive, that the feelings that one is barely aware of are psychologically important to the good functioning of oneself.

In real-life I am supremely confident for most of the time, mixed with savage depressions and forays into mild mania, an emotional rollercoaster, that needs to have a safety valve.

My valve is punishment, and being able to express my pain and anguish legitimately and open-heartedly, bent over the flogging block.

My Mother was very strict and I learned early that I would be beaten for breaking her rules, and break them I did, over and over, and over and over I was beaten, but in the end I learned right from wrong - AS is a pain in the butt! grin

I have, in the main, always had D/s relationship, certainly I do not function at all well in a vanilla one.

I need a simple set of rules, and to know that I will be beaten if I break out.

Is that submission or the needs of a man who has Asperger's Syndrome?

I do not know.

Certainly I submit to punishment, and agree to be punished; I submit to the laws of 'the Rule' - the monastic house with it's mono-theistic mistress - the one faith: 'Ich Dein' and like the Prince of Wales, 'I serve'.

I give my body wholly, naked and vulnerable to be sacrificed on the alter by my mistress - if that is submission, then I am submissive?

I give her everything that is me, and give her it willingly, and love her for taking everything from me. and love her stronger for demanding more and taking and taking.

I love her for putting me back on my feet and I cease to be I, and she ceases to be Mistress, and we coalesce as one being, both submissive and dominant - Ying and Yang, nestled into the circle of life.

Well, that is my version of the challenge of being a submissive male, I hope it makes sense.

Regards





mouseyone -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (10/28/2004 3:32:07 PM)

I really enjoyed this post. I read it once, then substituted "submissive male" and "Domme" to "submissive female" and "Dom", read it again and WOW...Thanks for sharing your insight on this :)




sunfalcon -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (11/9/2004 8:13:38 AM)

Wow, very well said anthrosub. Can't add to that at all.

[:)]

sun




smile2cu -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (11/10/2004 7:40:28 PM)

Thank you very much for your well thought out post. I'm also a submissive male, a bit less far along in defining myself, but trying. Your post greatly helped.

I was pleased to see that your first point was that I am first a human being. I hope I can be submissive and still be a person.

Its nice to see there are others like myself who feel they have something specific to offer, not just "I'm a doormat, do with me what you want."

I suppose, for those who do want doormats there are plenty to go around. And I shouldn't begrudge them, its their choices.

But for those who choose differently, the world is more sunny, funny and friendly.




Anubis -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (11/15/2004 7:39:18 PM)

i truly appreciate the wisdom you've shared. i believe this to be almost more important for our Domme's to read and understand than for us who embrace the submissive side. i intend to share your post with my Mistress-i believe it will be invaluable in our relationship but i'll let you know.




NorthernPhoenix -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (11/25/2004 1:11:20 PM)

I have to say, I agree with the post in principle, but I think the most important thing ANYONE can do - male or female, Dom/me or sub - is to talk to people as if they are a person, not a Domme or a slave or whatever from the outset. This will differ with different people I think, but I see submission as a trait, not as an activity. Meaning that to establish 'credibility' it might well just shine through in conversation and discussion anyway.

A lot of it though would depend on the way you approach someone, the way they want to be approached and so on and I might be taking the original post the wrong way. Question more for the Dommes I think, but isn't it a better idea to post and talk as a person than specifically as a sub?

Phoenix




MsHoney2you -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (12/4/2004 8:21:29 PM)

anthrosub....
You have shared your heart and frustrations are recognized. What I seek in subs is their ability to be real. Real to themselves and to me. Role play IMO has a start and a stop, it is not something I wish to live on a daily basis. Value is to be respected on both sides of the flogger as it's a real commodity.

I seek a man that knows himself, is willing to share his thoughts (please do NOT think I have ESP, I don't!) and can commit to getting to know me as I will commit to learning him.

Gee, does that sound like 'vanilla' ? DUH.. it is! Who cares what term is used, it's the way we humans communicate, and those of us that have learned to recognize ourselves, our personal wants and needs and honor them, I believe we are better equipped to recognize phonies.

Good luck to you and thankyou for posting such a well thought out topic,
Ms Honey




garylee -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (1/17/2005 10:12:08 PM)

i suppose.......giving credit where it is due......the man wrote a good encyclopedia type post.......and never mixed any words........it is factual and informative......
i just find it too cold for me.......i did not feel there is any human feeling or human touch in it.
okay......if i am so smart can i do a better job?
i doubt it.....i am no writer.
but i am,.......a male slave........24/7--365......
i am merely domestics service.....
the problem........''i'' see''''''''''''is there are far too many articles based on everyone fitting into certain pidgeon holes.
when are there going to be articles written about some of us that dont do paly or do sex or do love romance ..............

some of us serve just to serve and ask for NOTHING in return.
''i'' aint never seen any articles on THAT for males........anyone have an answer for this? i know i dont.

thanks folks.
i am grateful for the post time
garylee




onceburned -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (1/18/2005 4:39:32 AM)

A very nice essay by Anthrosub...and it is a shame that it has been buried in the message archives. Has Anthrosub posted these thoughts on a website?




liljoy -> RE: The Challenge of Being a Submissive Male (1/18/2005 5:09:57 AM)

a sad but true thing is that often times male subs are looked at as "do me subs" because in the chatroom that is how a LOT of them behave.

You know the ones i'm talking about 2 seconds after entering a room the are crawling to the first Domme on the list it goes something like this

domesub: crawls to Misterss' feet and begs Her to do to this worthless worm what She will.

Kind Domme: hello

domesub: ~kisses Your feet~ Oh please Mistress will You spank this worthless worm until he cries? Will You dress him up as a french maid? Mistress will you make this worless worm drink You piss? oh Mistress. please have mercy on this worthless worm?


Now this is where our Kind Domme either educates or stops being kind and calls him for the troll he is.

i've seen it time and time again. It's sad really. Yes it is a shame for those with true intentions.


anthrosub, take heart though just as thier true colors show through, so will yours and all the other male subs out there that are not do me subs.

This is NOT an attack on male subs. It's simply my attempt at an explanaition of why it's so tough for you. Based on what i've seen

lil_joy




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