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A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 2:56:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Donald Trump, having failed in his Birther mode, has now been making noises that President Obama somehow magically got into an Ivy League school and graduated with honors even though blacks and half blacks clearly aren't smart enough. Trump is now calling for the President to publically release his academic records (possibly as far back as his report card from 1st grade).

As a quid pro quo, if the president must publically release his academic records to "prove" he earned his college degrees and academic honors (President Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991 from Harvard Law School and was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review), The Donald should also publically release the records of his multiple divorces and his 4 bankruptcies to prove that (A) he is morally qualified to be President (anyone married as often as Trump must have some moral deficiencies in his closet) and (B) to prove he is really the mega-successful businessman he claims to be (how successful can you be if you declare bankruptcy FOUR times?)

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 3:23:45 PM   
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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 3:24:04 PM   
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Considering that you are right on how many times he has been married, you must remember that the Republican demigod Ronald was married twice.

So he has mismanaged his own business and landed them in bankruptcy court, does that mean he will land the US in bankruptcy court?

So what that he is implying that Obama did not actually earn the academic honors, does that make him a racist?

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 3:28:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is Donald Trump's academic record?


I can tell you what his real life record is...

Repeated divorces... publicly cheating on his wife. (those family values sorts are going to love him)

He has had 4 bankruptcies, yes, 4 of them! Yet he thinks he can balance a budget.

He is sexist, nasty man, who even said of his own daughter:

"She does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her".
http://www.parentdish.com/2006/03/09/donald-trump-was-joking-when-he-said-he-would-date-his-daughte/

He is soooo repulsive

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 3:37:57 PM   
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So what that he is implying that Obama did not actually earn the academic honors, does that make him a racist?


Have you ever seen any other president harassed about their birth certificate before, much less their academic record?

Believe me, and this I know for a fact, you will not graduate Magna cum Laude honor unless you have an extremely high GPA. If his degree states he graduated with that honor, he merited it, and I say that as someone who graduated with that honor. They put it on your degree, and they note it on your transcript.

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 4:10:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, imo, all Obama did by capitulating to all this birther nonsense and making his birth certificate public is encourage The Donald and his ilk. That wasnt a good move, imo, he should have remained strong and ignore them all. Now he looks weak, imo.

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 4:21:24 PM   
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Unfortunately, imo, all Obama did by capitulating to all this birther nonsense and making his birth certificate public is encourage The Donald and his ilk. That wasnt a good move, imo, he should have remained strong and ignore them all. Now he looks weak, imo.


By releasing it he embarrassed the Donald and the other idiotic birthers who proclaimed that the long form would settle the issue but, surprisingly enough, are still not satisfied.

Which only proves the issue is a carnival sideshow, much like the Donald.

It was an attack point that never had any merit.




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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 4:34:19 PM   
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Which only proves the issue is a carnival sideshow, much like the Donald.

And they are carnival barkers, and Olbermann recently wrote about on his blog

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 5:22:38 PM   
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Unfortunately, imo, all Obama did by capitulating to all this birther nonsense and making his birth certificate public is encourage The Donald and his ilk. That wasnt a good move, imo, he should have remained strong and ignore them all. Now he looks weak, imo.


By releasing it he embarrassed the Donald and the other idiotic birthers who proclaimed that the long form would settle the issue but, surprisingly enough, are still not satisfied.

Which only proves the issue is a carnival sideshow, much like the Donald.

It was an attack point that never had any merit.





Oh, so the public is so daft that they needed to see the certificate to know that Trump, etc are full of it??? If the public is that gullible then they deserve The Donald as President. And showing the certificate still does not satisfy these birthers, now they pick it apart and say its fake due to him being classified as African American and if it was not fake it should say Negro or some such thing. They also are not accepting it since it is a copy and not an original certificate.

Of course showing the certificate does not satisfy them, that was no surprise to me. That they will keep on attacking him is predictable, that is human nature. I am sure The Donald has an entire dossier of things he can nit pick about until 2012.

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 5:24:39 PM   
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Watch it, you are attacking a right wing conservative leader in public opinion.


If Trump is a Conservative, they why does he rely on SOCIALIST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to bail him out over and over and over every time he fails and has to screw over his good-faith creditors and hide in bankruptcy?

REAL CONSERVATIVES DON'T DECLARE BANKRUPTCY.

They honor their debts.

Barack Obama has NEVER declared bankruptcy.

Donald Trump, 6 Bankruptcies and 2 loan defaults.

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 5:26:08 PM   
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Unfortunately, imo, all Obama did by capitulating to all this birther nonsense and making his birth certificate public is encourage The Donald and his ilk. That wasnt a good move, imo, he should have remained strong and ignore them all. Now he looks weak, imo.


The Donald sent investigators to Hawaii, went on and on about what they were "finding"... then boom, the bc comes out... showing the Donald's investigators were finding nothing and the Donald was lying.

Obama is smart. What you see as a weakness is a man who is playing his cards slowly, methodically, and intellectually.



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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 5:37:09 PM   
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Unfortunately, imo, all Obama did by capitulating to all this birther nonsense and making his birth certificate public is encourage The Donald and his ilk. That wasnt a good move, imo, he should have remained strong and ignore them all. Now he looks weak, imo.


The Donald sent investigators to Hawaii, went on and on about what they were "finding"... then boom, the bc comes out... showing the Donald's investigators were finding nothing and the Donald was lying.

Obama is smart. What you see as a weakness is a man who is playing his cards slowly, methodically, and intellectually.




He could have instead challenged The Donald to show proof of what his investigators were finding. All he had to do was call his bluff, imo.

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 6:06:15 PM   
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True, barack Obama has never declared bankruptcy, but Barack Obama has absolutely no experience in the world of business whatsoever!

And after Obama has finished his first term, someone with business experience (and more specifically experience with bankruptcies) may be exactly what the doctor ordered.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

quote:

Watch it, you are attacking a right wing conservative leader in public opinion.


If Trump is a Conservative, they why does he rely on SOCIALIST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to bail him out over and over and over every time he fails and has to screw over his good-faith creditors and hide in bankruptcy?

REAL CONSERVATIVES DON'T DECLARE BANKRUPTCY.

They honor their debts.

Barack Obama has NEVER declared bankruptcy.

Donald Trump, 6 Bankruptcies and 2 loan defaults.


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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 6:10:37 PM   
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True, barack Obama has never declared bankruptcy, but Barack Obama has absolutely no experience in the world of business whatsoever!

And after Obama has finished his first term, someone with business experience (and more specifically experience with bankruptcies) may be exactly what the doctor ordered.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

quote:

Watch it, you are attacking a right wing conservative leader in public opinion.


If Trump is a Conservative, they why does he rely on SOCIALIST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to bail him out over and over and over every time he fails and has to screw over his good-faith creditors and hide in bankruptcy?

REAL CONSERVATIVES DON'T DECLARE BANKRUPTCY.

They honor their debts.

Barack Obama has NEVER declared bankruptcy.

Donald Trump, 6 Bankruptcies and 2 loan defaults.


So, you support Trump now even though he supports "Redistribution of wealth" to try to balance the budget?

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 6:16:59 PM   
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True, barack Obama has never declared bankruptcy, but Barack Obama has absolutely no experience in the world of business whatsoever!

And after Obama has finished his first term, someone with business experience (and more specifically experience with bankruptcies) may be exactly what the doctor ordered.


We are not talking one bankruptcy, we are talking 4 bankruptcies. I cannot fathom being so inept with managing my assets that I would need to declare bankruptcy more than once, much less 4 times.

I wonder exactly what you would think if you didn't know the politics of such an individual that habitually declared bankruptcy? I would call that sort of person at least irresponsible, if not criminally negligent, almost to the point of being a kite writer. Real people do not behave this way, leaving their creditors holding the bag repeatedly, at least not real HONEST people with ethics and integrity.

For you to say Obama would be a better candidate if he were someone that got in over his head and mismanaged his finances is just laughable to me. It shows the extent of the delusional vision of the world that you have where you laud irresponsible behavior and decry those of us that play by the rules and do our best to live up to our obligations.

I have had family members that declared bankruptcy. It was a time in their lives that they wish they could do over. They were ashamed of it, because it is kinda like divorce, it happens, and you didn't go into it wanting to happen, but it did. No one brags about one divorce, much less 4 of them... oh yeah, Trump has had several of those too... he is not only a 4 time failure in the financial world, he is a three time loser on the marriage front as well.

How you can justify a man who would ditch his creditors 4 times, and ditch his wives three times, is beyond me, maybe that is how people roll in your world, in mine that sort of life would be seen as shameful... the only thing the man showed any honor in at all was paying for his offspring, and that is only because his narcissism stretches to anyone running around with his DNA.

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 6:18:59 PM   
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I dont support Trump at all, neither do I support Obama. Neither of them should be anywhere near the presidency, though while specifically discussing business experience any reasonable person should be willing to concede that Trumps experience definitely trumps Obamas

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 6:20:17 PM   
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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 6:22:05 PM   
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He could have instead challenged The Donald to show proof of what his investigators were finding. All he had to do was call his bluff, imo.


What better way to kick off an election year than proving wrong what everyone was being told for the past two years.

It was going to have to be shown... seems only birthers believed it never would be.

Now, why on earth would the President want to get into a pissing match with 4 time bankrupt business man.

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 6:23:20 PM   
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I dont support Trump at all, neither do I support Obama. Neither of them should be anywhere near the presidency, though while specifically discussing business experience any reasonable person should be willing to concede that Trumps experience definitely trumps Obamas


You need to research why Trump had to file bankruptcy those 4 times and then think about the above.

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RE: A modest proposal for The Donald - 5/1/2011 6:24:42 PM   
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Simple Julia, he isnt Obama :)





You know what, Trump would be worse than Bush. At least Bush didn't have three failed marriages and 4 bankruptcies. Can you imagine the narcissism Trump would display to the world? I think he might even be somewhat sociopathic to be honest. I am horrified at the thought of him in charge of anything more substantial than a beauty pageant.

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