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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:09:07 PM   
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From  Der Spiegel
Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justice looks like? Al-Qaida boss Osama bin Laden was killed on Sunday in a secret military operation in Pakistan. Americans are celebrating, but there are serious doubts about whether the targeted killing was legal under international law and the laws of war. An Analysis by Thomas Darnstädt more... [ Forum ]


Hmmmmmm! 

Interesting!

I wonder whether slamming airliners into buildings is legal under international law.

I'll have to look that up.

I'll get back to you.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:11:38 PM   
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From  Der Spiegel
Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justice looks like? Al-Qaida boss Osama bin Laden was killed on Sunday in a secret military operation in Pakistan. Americans are celebrating, but there are serious doubts about whether the targeted killing was legal under international law and the laws of war. An Analysis by Thomas Darnstädt more... [ Forum ]


Hmmmmmm! 

Interesting!

I wonder whether slamming airliners into buildings is legal under international law.

I'll have to look that up.

I'll get back to you.




So 2 wrongs make a right?

Don't answer that.

All I am saying is we need to be asking questions.    

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:15:43 PM   
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Technically, it was completely illegal.  However, the legal alternative - demand that Pakistan turn him over, and then declare war and  invade when they refuse - would have been horrific.


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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:17:28 PM   
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The question I would ask is exactly what values are being defended by the US and the West in general (in relation to the ongoing occupations and sortees into places such as Libya)? The rule of law?

Would seem to me that defending the rule of law by undermining it (e.g. assassination), is a strange way of promoting US or Western values.


It would seem to me that someone responsible for multiple terrorist actions does not deserve the rule of law as he ignored it repeatedly.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:20:53 PM   
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Don't let us pinheads make US citizens aware of the fact that we are not the whole world. Don't let them know that everyone in the world is not shouting USA USA all the time. Even our allies and supposed allies.

Now we have allies questioning this, what about the Arab nations ? Not necessarily the US'es lapdogs, I mean the people. And what of the Russians. Before Iraq 2 Putin I think said, that if the US can take this action (Iraq) then Russia reserves the right to do so as well. (paraphrased, he used kinda weird grammar)

You're probably not going to hear much from China, seems like we ignore their shit and they ignore our's. But if things get ugly you think we can count on them ? Maybe.

Yep, us pinheads must be nuts taking a world view of world events, everyone knows we should be shouting USA USA !

Hurray.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:26:36 PM   
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From  Der Spiegel
Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justice looks like? Al-Qaida boss Osama bin Laden was killed on Sunday in a secret military operation in Pakistan. Americans are celebrating, but there are serious doubts about whether the targeted killing was legal under international law and the laws of war. An Analysis by Thomas Darnstädt more... [ Forum ]


Hmmmmmm! 

Interesting!

I wonder whether slamming airliners into buildings is legal under international law.

I'll have to look that up.

I'll get back to you.




So 2 wrongs make a right?

Don't answer that.

All I am saying is we need to be asking questions.    



No, I am going to answer that.

The world is not a pretty and tidy little place where you can work things out by just sharing your feelings with each other.

Sometimes ugly things have to be done.

We don't have to like it, but it's foolish not to accept that sometimes it is necessary.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:27:36 PM   
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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:29:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its not like he wasnt on the most wanted list of most European countries as well as the US and Canada.
This isnt some innocent lil granny
They put him on notice, Pakistan are acting like they are innocent, but are they buggery.
they covering their arses and very very poorly


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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:31:08 PM   
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It just occurred to me, this mostly hinges on what Pakistan says officially. If the government wanted him dead were just helping out. If not, not.

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks, if they officially condone the action end of story.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:33:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bin Laden was connected to a number of terrorist attacks that ended up with Americans killed.

Bin Laden has been implicated in a string of deadly attacks on the United States and its allies: the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; the 1998 bombings at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed more than 200; and the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen. Bin Laden also claimed responsibility for a 1993 gunfight that killed 18 U.S. troops in Somalia and the 1996 bombing of the Khobar military complex in Saudi Arabia that left 19 U.S. soldiers dead.

So who cares if he was unarmed?

Maybe they should have taken him alive, then gave his ass a needle after a nice five minute trial.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:35:28 PM   
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From  Der Spiegel
Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justice looks like? Al-Qaida boss Osama bin Laden was killed on Sunday in a secret military operation in Pakistan. Americans are celebrating, but there are serious doubts about whether the targeted killing was legal under international law and the laws of war. An Analysis by Thomas Darnstädt more... [ Forum ]


Hmmmmmm! 

Interesting!

I wonder whether slamming airliners into buildings is legal under international law.

I'll have to look that up.

I'll get back to you.




So 2 wrongs make a right?

Don't answer that.

All I am saying is we need to be asking questions.    



No, I am going to answer that.

The world is not a pretty and tidy little place where you can work things out by just sharing your feelings with each other.

Sometimes ugly things have to be done.

We don't have to like it, but it's foolish not to accept that sometimes it is necessary.



RML- I agree-  the world -- ugly-  yes.   Point taken.

This is tho in our face precedent for next time.    Good will-  even in a ugly world can have alot of value.   Losing that via cowboy  W-  ..........

argh.    We supposedly have a Constitution.   Whereby all men are created equal.  Due process.   Etc.       This is an elevation of the patriot act.   If it pre-emptive-    we are the big boys now- and a few years ago- China or India or who else-  could be throwing the weight around ---  mob rule.    I am sure the bankers love it..   bombs not schools.   

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:38:02 PM   
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Bin Laden was connected to a number of terrorist attacks that ended up with Americans killed.

Bin Laden has been implicated in a string of deadly attacks on the United States and its allies: the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; the 1998 bombings at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed more than 200; and the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen. Bin Laden also claimed responsibility for a 1993 gunfight that killed 18 U.S. troops in Somalia and the 1996 bombing of the Khobar military complex in Saudi Arabia that left 19 U.S. soldiers dead.

So who cares if he was unarmed?

Maybe they should have taken him alive, then gave his ass a needle after a nice five minute trial.



Sounds like a g20 protest crackdown.   Which they just used g20 tactics on some college kids in IL this week.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:38:55 PM   
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It would seem to me that someone responsible for multiple terrorist actions does not deserve the rule of law as he ignored it repeatedly.


It would seem to me that the people who represent the civilized world would want to endorse and demonstrate the moral value of due process and the veracity of the rule of law and not respond with nihilism at the first hint of barbarism. You do realize that there has never been any sort of a trial, correct?

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:42:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		"that being that case- there would be no need to kill the guy with out a trial. "

FIrst of all they don't like trials because of too many people running their mouths. We all know that.

The topic here is if this action is legal or not under international law. Many people get sidetracked on shit like this. Was the action - THIS ACTION legal under international law, also in view of the world, or not ? And if it was not, perhaps what happens next.

Which really may be nothing. But you probably do something to piss off the neighbors, keep doing it too much they stop ignoring it and/or putting up with it.

The fact is a good part of the world considers us outlaws.

We are.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:48:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		"You do realize that there has never been any sort of a trial, correct? "

Seems some advocate five or thirty minute trials these days. Neurenburg would take too long I guess.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Civilised people go to war, civilised countries kill, civilised people have sick twisted depraved people in them
What civilised country has not killed ?
Im a pacifist tree hugging save the polar bears liberal hippy and even I know that is unrealistic.
Sad tho it is, in this case yes Im happy a terrorist is dead.
The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.



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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:51:30 PM   
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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:53:27 PM   
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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 5:58:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		When candidate Obama said he would go anywhere, including Pakistan to get obl,the neo-cons including mccan`t were all "no you can`t do that,yada yada bleh bleh.......international law,.... blah blah violation ,duhh duhh duhh.....


They were turd balls for that and I would say that to any liberal spouting the same tripe.

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RE: Was Bin Laden's Killing Legal? Is this what justic... - 5/3/2011 6:02:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		UN rights boss asks US for facts on bin Laden killing...


The kicker is-  the blow back that is coming.  Escalation of the Holy War- the jijad.     Why be in rush for THAT?

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