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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/3/2011 8:14:20 PM

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Aylee- "I would have to know WHY it is abhorrent to eat people"

It is because man is an ego based animal that thinks he is better then the rest of the critters crawling around on this ball of dirt.

edit- because I screwed up Aylee's quote.

Yeah. . . whatever. I do not think that this is the reason.

OTOH, I do in fact think that I am better than a cow or cockroach.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 5:42:21 AM

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i'd try it

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 5:46:57 AM

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I'm with hannah, I'd try it.

At the same time, I have the same problem as ChatteParfaitt has with eating lab grown meat.
I tend to eat as organic and naturally grown as possible, and unless lab-meat was completely hormone and additive free (which I can't imagine) it would never become a part of my regular diet.

As far as eating non-lab grown human meat, I don't have an issue with that either, like with other things, I'll try everything at least once.
The main reason why I haven't is that it's rather hard to come by in a fashion that doesn't put you at risk for prolonged jail time, and I don't care enough about diversifying my eating habits to risk jail time for it.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 6:25:09 AM

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So, Firm.... Is there something you need to tell me about that dinner that night?

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 7:10:06 AM

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Firm,

For a serious answer I would have to know WHY it is abhorrent to eat people. I know that it IS. I am not sure of the WHY though. I shared this topic with the other half and his response was the same. "It just is."

After all, the danger from it, disease transmission, can be dealt with by throughly cooking it. We donate organs from people who die. Why not donate the leg of Joe to a starving family? We just do not do it. But WHY do we not do it?

Once I figure that out, then I can give you an answer on how I would feel about eating In Vitro Human Meat.

I think this is a key point: why is it wrong?

I've read some interesting things about where "morality" comes from, and one of the theories is that it is based on emotional reaction, which is then rationalized for its existence by the conscious parts of the brain.

I don't like the idea of eating human flesh, even vat grown, but my rational side says that there would be no real harm in it, for anyone, therefore there would be no reason that it would be immoral or "wrong".

I've also tried the "thought experiment" of being in a situation in which it was "eat it or die from starvation" that occurs from time to time and place to place in the real world, and arrived at the conclusion that it would be difficult decision, to decide whether I could take part in the repast, or would allow myself to expire instead.

Having vat grown, safe and tasty human steak changes the equation, but I'm still not sure I could actually eat any, although I can see no stark moral reason to condemn anyone's decision to partake.

I do think that the likelihood of vat grown human flesh is real, but also think that there would be widespread resistance to it being commercially available.

"Cannibal Clubs", the next private gentleman's (ladies') trendy thing?

Watch the dancers, then have a bite of them?

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 7:33:08 AM

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Miracle in the Andes.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 8:18:28 AM

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What about the medical aspects of growing human muscle, like they already do for skin, and I think they're working on nerves? Say, for someone who has suffered a serious traumatic injury and lost the muscle or had to have it removed, could human muscle be grown for medical purposes, and if so, what would the moral issues be, if any?

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 11:33:54 AM

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If eating a nonlab grown human meat, it would have to be from a vegetarian, as omnivores and carnivores don't taste good.
Brains have already been discussed, the risk of prion disease is too high.

Larry Niven's Draco Tavern discusses labgrown human meat.
And Douglas Adams, Restaurant at the end of the universe discusses labgrown meat, in that case a sentient one that asks you to eat it.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 11:38:12 AM

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if they can grow human meat they can grow me some cow first before i'd think of eating human flesh. if in a tragic thing where there isn't much choice then i'm probably going to eat whomever i'm with to live. but i seriously hope it isn't someone i love, or some stinky person.

i'm actually not sure i'd want to eat any meat grown in a dish. but i am a huge meat eatter and would rather eat meat than anything else, so it's a tough call.

there are plenty of tribes who eat their relatives or enemies.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 1:45:43 PM

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Robert hienlien discusses this in a couple of his books...his was a "waste not want not" mind set mixed with sharing of the essence of the person being eaten

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 2:27:34 PM

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I already eat hydrolyzed protein and cultured nutritional extracts . . . why not eat synthesized proteins? I think your Soylent Green currently needs more research before it can be an epicurean's delight. However, for daily nutritional maintenance, I'm in.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 2:53:06 PM

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What Domme hasn't received e-mails from guys requesting to be cannibalised?
If not: you WIN!

Better Off Ted, a sadly cancelled sitcom, dealt with in vitro beef; the taste-tester said it tasted of 'despair'.
It was yummy only once it was tucked in at night with Mozart and its blankie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GFcfIs8cwk&feature=related

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/4/2011 3:06:02 PM

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I think this is a key point: why is it wrong?

it isn't.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/5/2011 12:59:15 PM

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In Vitro meat never attains the texture and mouth feel one is accustomed to finding in their protein sources and tends to be more expensive and more easily contaminated than raising critters.
Yeah, I got to guinea pig a couple of meals at a research facility. Tofurkey comes closer to the real thing that petri dish chicken. But, it might work for making hot dogs.. that calls for flesh in a blender consistency before tubing and steaming.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/5/2011 1:17:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

In Vitro meat never attains the texture and mouth feel one is accustomed to finding in their protein sources and tends to be more expensive and more easily contaminated than raising critters.
Yeah, I got to guinea pig a couple of meals at a research facility. Tofurkey comes closer to the real thing that petri dish chicken. But, it might work for making hot dogs.. that calls for flesh in a blender consistency before tubing and steaming.

Stefan

Why is this? Is it because the muscles are not used at all? As opposed to the underused parts of a chicken or cow.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/5/2011 1:42:01 PM

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Umm, Soylent Green was based on a Harry Harrison novel- Make Room, Make Room last time I checked.

Heinlein's brilliant allegory of Stranger in a Strange Land is a retelling of the myth of Jesus- which of course brings up the question of if synthetic human flesh is available- wouldn't the Catholics like it instead of crackers? Why bother with transubstantiation if you can have something a lot closer?

Arthur C. Clarke had a story which pointed out that when new flavors of synthetic meat became popular after cow, pig, lamb etc, the flavor that became popular was long pig- hence everybody became a cannibal.

From someone who actually tried long pig in a stew- she said it was quite good and would have gotten seconds.

Back in the early 1800s, the captain of the Essex (Pollard?) did not protest when his nephew drew the short straw to be sacrificed to feed his fellow sailors in a small open boat after the Essex had been sunk by a sperm whale. (Origin of Moby Dick) Mind you the kid told him it was OK. Perhaps surprisingly, the taint of cannibalism is a latter day phenomenon- at the time, no one held it against him or the other sailors.

Seems that cannibalism is actually a pretty common theme in literature.

As a chemist- if you do the synthesis correctly, there's no difference between something out of a lab and something grown by nature. Doesn't matter where its from- if you enjoy eating long pig, that makes you a cannibal in one sense. However, it's clear that origin is important- the concept of cannibalism is really about taking another human beings life. If nobody dies, then the meat loses its flavor- at least to a cannibal.

I still think I'd eat something else instead...

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/5/2011 7:42:53 PM

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I think this is a key point: why is it wrong?
it isn't.

<yeah, nobody is surprised i think that, but i'm not going to torpedo another thread. just assume its different, somewhat offensive, rudely presented and you disagree with it, and we'll all be able to carry on with the original thread>

HLH,

uhh, I'm not sure why you might believe that I (or anyone else) would think your comments are "torpedos". Nor am I quite sure if you believe that we would perceive your comments as offensive and rudely presented. Or did you mean that the overall topic is?

I've meant for this topic to be thought provoking, and anticipated a bit of humor on the subject as well.

Feel free to post your comments.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/5/2011 11:40:26 PM

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In the same way that black market organs are an issue, a bigger black market for long pig would become one.
Beware anyone who tells you they have "the good stuff". That's someone's "extra" child.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/6/2011 6:31:35 AM

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I have a problem with the whole idea of cloning meat to begin with - genetic diversity and lack thereof is already a serious issue, monoculture is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette with the global food supply.

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RE: Let's Talk About ... Eating "Long Pig" ... - 5/6/2011 11:15:31 AM

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i've thought of this a bit more and decided that unless it was in case of emergency only to servive, i wouldn't be eating human flesh of any sort.

my reasoning for this is this; years ago there was a huge block of land used by a company for breeding pigs. the pigs were fed everything including lots of waste from their own kind. in the end they became infected with a disease but i can't remember what it's called. they all had to be slaughtered and could not be consumed. the land is so contaminated by the disease that it can no longer be used for pigs. that was many years ago.

bse in cows has come from them being fed protien from animals, including their own. sheep have a similar disease that is thought to maybe have been passed onto cows through being fed to them. it's called scrapie and around 500 cases a year are reported but it's believed that it could up to 10 times higher than that. now while scrapie is thought to not affect us, it is thought that alot of them could be misdiagnosed and it's actually bse passed back into sheep by feeding cow meal to them. most of these diseases come about by feeding animals back to their own kind.

it's taken all these years for all of this to happen and show itself in animals. who knows what damage could be done to us by us eating our own kind, even if it is grown in a dish.

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