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RapierFugue -> RE: What causes a person to hate ? (5/9/2011 10:58:58 AM)
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
There's absolutely no doubt that that shithead bin laden was driven to hate by *religion."
There's plenty of "doubt" actually. In other words, his actions were less religious than they were nationalistic.
I sometimes wonder how many people can actually comprehend that, if you play games with other people's countries, lives and national identities, then they may tend to react poorly.
As best we can understand*, Bin Laden's anger with the west was first cemented by the fact that moderate Saudis (not many of those left these days, BTW, as a result of western (mostly american, in other words) actions in that region, over the last decade or so) refused him and his regional locals permission to recapture Kuwait after Saddam's first incursion, instead bowing to US and UK pressure to allow a vote-gathering war led by the west.
All actions have effects ... some have effects beyond all measure or reason. "This is one of those times". Anyone who thinks it’s the simple result of the beliefs of a single “religion” is an ignorant fool.
*outstanding, and balanced, programme on Radio4 last week ... interesting to note that one commentator (well educated westerner who interviewed Bin Laden several times during his life) said "it's ironic that Bin Laden's death comes at a time when his violent ideology has been proved, by dint of the changes in Egypt and elsewhere, to be out of step with the current mood and times ... his methods, and those of his people, centred as they are in a bloodshed that was a response to bloodshed shown to them and their nations, are fading from acceptance, and represent a failure that he will already have felt, even before recent actions against him. His anger stemmed from being excluded from decisions made in his own region, and yet his own actions have similarly been shown to be a cause for his contemporaries to exclude him and his people from decisions made in the same region".
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