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Real0ne -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 6:52:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Except there's no "model" in that, and nothing sold. It's what happened. Only if you believe in chance. Another fiction model I wont get suckered into.. Anytime someone concludes something "just happened" you have not properly done your homework. ~Harsh Reality

Musicmystery -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 6:52:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome MusicMystery, To quote you "Only then will [the people] be able to pull themselves up", that seems an off comment. Do you not believe that the people (govt.) who we pay taxes to have a responsibility to the American taxpayers, to conduct themselves with stewardship with our money, so that we taxpayers won't have to "pull ourselves up"? Surely you don't think the American taxpayers are on their own, alone for their futures? Where's the patriotism, and the sense of country in that? Isn't it that same patriotism and sense of country that demands we send our men overseas to fight wars which the United Nations has declared to be illegal? Don't forget now, George W. Bush said "You're either with us, or with the terrorists", which I guess means that the United Nations sided with the terrorists. No, the government has a responsibility to keep its fucking hands off the money we the people make, except for what is authorized by the Constitution without asinine expansin of the "Commerce Clause". Further, slave, that's not at my point. I'm not arguing philosophy or ethics. If you're looking for an implicit message anyway, it's this--blame the government if you like. Make a great case for it. Wait for things to change. Where does that leave you? Or....recognize the situation for what it is and adapt. I'd rather be happy. I can't do that by controlling the rest of the world.

Musicmystery -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 6:55:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Except there's no "model" in that, and nothing sold. It's what happened. Only if you believe in chance. Another fiction model I wont get suckered into.. Anytime someone concludes something "just happened" you have not properly done your homework. ~Harsh Reality You are such an idiot. I didn't say it "just happened." In fact, I outlined the causes. It is, however, "what happened," which is what I said. Call it fiction if it suits your misbegotten purpose. The rest of us will deal with it as history.

Real0ne -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 7:00:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome MusicMystery, To quote you "Only then will [the people] be able to pull themselves up", that seems an off comment. Do you not believe that the people (govt.) who we pay taxes to have a responsibility to the American taxpayers, to conduct themselves with stewardship with our money, so that we taxpayers won't have to "pull ourselves up"? Surely you don't think the American taxpayers are on their own, alone for their futures? Where's the patriotism, and the sense of country in that? Isn't it that same patriotism and sense of country that demands we send our men overseas to fight wars which the United Nations has declared to be illegal? Don't forget now, George W. Bush said "You're either with us, or with the terrorists", which I guess means that the United Nations sided with the terrorists. No, the government has a responsibility to keep its fucking hands off the money we the people make, except for what is authorized by the Constitution without asinine expansin of the "Commerce Clause". Further, slave, that's not at my point. I'm not arguing philosophy or ethics. If you're looking for an implicit message anyway, it's this--blame the government if you like. Make a great case for it. Wait for things to change. Where does that leave you? Or....recognize the situation for what it is and adapt. I'd rather be happy. I can't do that by controlling the rest of the world. just go along! lets be friends! the guv was chartered with commercial management. People have a damn good reason to be pissed. Further that commerce clause is under control of foreign agents that are not american. Hell america is under control of foreign agents that are not of america. As he said the ever expanding commerce clause where people have been and continue to be nothing more than fucking chattel commodities. "human resources" its in your face. so lets be happy with a 40,000 slave lien against the ass of every american that forever ties us to the foreign agents who took over the country in 68? whats to be happy about? ~lincoln

Real0ne -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 7:02:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Except there's no "model" in that, and nothing sold. It's what happened. Only if you believe in chance. Another fiction model I wont get suckered into.. Anytime someone concludes something "just happened" you have not properly done your homework. ~Harsh Reality You are such an idiot. I didn't say it "just happened." In fact, I outlined the causes. It is, however, "what happened," which is what I said. Call it fiction if it suits your misbegotten purpose. The rest of us will deal with it as history. sorry man but all HISTORY happens in the NOW. It was once a NOW. People seen it unfold then just as we see all this shit unfold right NOW. That tomorrow will be "What happened" ~be happy

Musicmystery -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 7:13:25 AM)
Now there we agree.

Musicmystery -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 7:14:36 AM)
quote: whats to be happy about? ~lincoln I have many things. Best wishes for you and Abe.

xssve -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 8:14:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle "Trickle down" has been replaced by the "Flood Up" effect. Not just in the US but in other Western countries too. Australia follows a pretty similar economic course to the US and we have a Flood Up happening here too. What's the "Flood Up" effect? Pretty simple. Massive flows of wealth to the already rich from the middle and lower classes. Broken unions, deregulation, free trade and free flows of capital etc have all had the same predictable effect of greatly increasing the wealth and assets of the rich. It's been the story of the past few decades here and in the US too I'm advised. It's really time that trickle down got trickled off and flood up got f*ked off permanently. Your purse/wallet is a far more reliable guide to the economy than any economist will ever be. This is the golden rule of tweakenomics! [:D] Edited to add: Nice to see you again UWillbePoorAsLongAsUListen2me .....ooops! I mean NewOCDaddy all UK common law "based" countries follow suit. There is a reason for that. Yes, there is a reason for that, the reason is that when you put all your eggs in one basket, it's a very* good deal for whoever happens to be holding the basket. As long as so called "conservatives" keep reading Ayn Rand instead of Adam Smith, we'll keep devolving back into feudalism.

Selectivelight -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 2:55:17 PM)
If you want a demonstration of the trickle down theory in action, go stand directly behind an elephant for a few hours. Oh, you might want an umbrella and a shovel. Don't wear your Sunday best, either. The main problem with the trickle down theory is that it doesn't trickle down. If you give a rich man money, it doesn't go back into the economy. It goes to one of three places as a general rule. To an offshore bank, to bribes that seek to get the rich man more money, or to an estate where it sits for fifty or sixty years before being passed to the rich man's scion. If you were to give that same money to the poor, they'd spend it. Not always in sane, rational ways, but they would in fact be putting the money back into play. It's not the most exciting, revolutionary idea ever, but it at least has a better grip on reality. If you really wanted to do this country some good, you'd be focusing on creating a more level playing field for businesses, big and small. As it stands, a national chain moves into a small town, and the local businesses can't compete. They shut down, left and right. With little variance. These local businesses, for the most part, employ local people, purchase local goods and services, and pay taxes. We desperately need them to succeed.... or we need to change our bullshit tax code so -everyone- pays taxes. Including major corporations and the obscenely rich. There are many roads to prosperity. There is no single path that we must all adhere to. Unfortunately, the long-standing policy of catering only to the rich is not a road to prosperity. It will (and perhaps already has) bring ruin to this nation.

Real0ne -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 7:42:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: whats to be happy about? ~lincoln I have many things. Best wishes for you and Abe. that was of course a reference to the fruits of 1861 - 68, you got that right?

Real0ne -> RE: What happened to the "Trickle Down Theory"? (5/6/2011 7:49:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Selectivelight If you want a demonstration of the trickle down theory in action, go stand directly behind an elephant for a few hours. Oh, you might want an umbrella and a shovel. Don't wear your Sunday best, either. The main problem with the trickle down theory is that it doesn't trickle down. If you give a rich man money, it doesn't go back into the economy. It goes to one of three places as a general rule. To an offshore bank, to bribes that seek to get the rich man more money, or to an estate where it sits for fifty or sixty years before being passed to the rich man's scion. If you were to give that same money to the poor, they'd spend it. Not always in sane, rational ways, but they would in fact be putting the money back into play. It's not the most exciting, revolutionary idea ever, but it at least has a better grip on reality. If you really wanted to do this country some good, you'd be focusing on creating a more level playing field for businesses, big and small. As it stands, a national chain moves into a small town, and the local businesses can't compete. They shut down, left and right. With little variance. These local businesses, for the most part, employ local people, purchase local goods and services, and pay taxes. We desperately need them to succeed.... or we need to change our bullshit tax code so -everyone- pays taxes. Including major corporations and the obscenely rich. There are many roads to prosperity. There is no single path that we must all adhere to. Unfortunately, the long-standing policy of catering only to the rich is not a road to prosperity. It will (and perhaps already has) bring ruin to this nation. corporations originally had charters with 20 year max sunset clause and people had to vote to keep or get rid of it. When they started to create states however they needed something permanent hence they they dropped the charter sunset. like jefferson said they would be and are the ruin of this country in consort with the banks and trusts. By the time the people wake up IF they ever wake up it will be completely unrepairable as planned. This would be a completely different world to the better if statism, trusts, and large corporations did not exist.

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