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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 5/12/2011 8:49:43 PM   
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I disagree.  I grew up in negative conditions, spent time married to an actually mentally ill person, and went from the frying pan into the fire with the sadistic owner referenced above.  Once free of all that, I learned an enormous deal about myself.  Some of it was learned in therapy, some of it on travels alone, some of it through books - - but I had my experiences to reflect on during my "soul searching" (for lack of a better term). I will spare writing a book about it all here in this post, but suffice to say, through my past experiences I discovered what works for me, what does not work for me, what I want for myself, what I like, and who the "real" me is, that will not be stifled again.  I learned who I am.

I wouldn't call being with those unkind people a strategy for learning; but I chose to learn about myself as a result of those experiences.  I could have chosen to do something else, but I had to come out from it all a happy, healthy, peaceful person.  So I did what I needed to, to achieve that.

i am wholeheartedly with you on this one. i grew up in a bad environment, bad marriage, bad relationships, bad experiences.. but you learn from all that, and if you're smart and lucky you find ways to avoid those situations in the future. Bravo to you for learning about yourself and learning from your experiences that helped you gain a bigger perspective of who you are. i know i am still learning every day. It's never ending... but you get to a point where you have yourself pretty figured out and know what you need to do for yourself. That's why i'm a cautious person and i'm very careful who i associate with. Because of those experiences that taught me that trust is earned, not given freely. 20 years ago i couldn't have been in this lifestyle because i was too trusting. i would have been sucker to the first guy that made my belly tingle. But now... it's a different story. i feel comfortable in my skin, as i am sure you have learned to be as well.

Many of us have things in our past that have jaded us in some form or another, but most people's biggest mistake is not learning from the bad experiences. If you can't learn from that, you certainly shouldn't be involved in a lifestyle like bdsm because of the complexity of it all.



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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 5/12/2011 11:37:31 PM   
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i am wholeheartedly with you on this one. i grew up in a bad environment, bad marriage, bad relationships, bad experiences.. but you learn from all that, and if you're smart and lucky you find ways to avoid those situations in the future. Bravo to you for learning about yourself and learning from your experiences that helped you gain a bigger perspective of who you are.


Thank you, and bravo to you as well.  I believe people have choices - the choice to remain a victim or rise above being one.  It took me a long time to learn from those experiences, which is why I repeated them. I am actually grateful for that final blow, because it caused me to really re-evaluate me, my life, and where I wanted to go.  I'm grateful to those who loved me through it all.  Repeating past mistakes is no longer an option for me, because of the way I conduct my life now. My former ways are just too foreign now, and don't fit in my world.

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i know i am still learning every day. It's never ending... but you get to a point where you have yourself pretty figured out and know what you need to do for yourself. That's why i'm a cautious person and i'm very careful who i associate with. Because of those experiences that taught me that trust is earned, not given freely. 20 years ago i couldn't have been in this lifestyle because i was too trusting. i would have been sucker to the first guy that made my belly tingle. But now... it's a different story. i feel comfortable in my skin, as i am sure you have learned to be as well.


I am also continually learning, and paying attention to what I learn.  My inner circle is pretty small now, simply because I don't like surrounding myself with people whose life perspectives and characters/values aren't in alignment with my own. And yes, I am very comfortable in my skin as well.


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Many of us have things in our past that have jaded us in some form or another, but most people's biggest mistake is not learning from the bad experiences. If you can't learn from that, you certainly shouldn't be involved in a lifestyle like bdsm because of the complexity of it all.




I think everyone learns from experiences, but we can choose what we learn.  I could have learned to be bitter and angry, and I could have justified myself in doing so.  But it was important to me to come away from the past a happier and more positive person, so I took the path I needed to, to accomplish that.  However, I had to be ready for those lessons.  Until I was ready for them, they wouldn't get through to me.  I had to be in the right place, mentally and emotionally, to change.

I didn't look for a dominant to get me through all of that and to "better me."  I had to figure myself out, first, and along the way I met someone whose character impressed me, and who valued the things I do - like living a healthy and positive life.




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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 5/13/2011 12:04:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
Thank you, and bravo to you as well.  I believe people have choices - the choice to remain a victim or rise above being one.  It took me a long time to learn from those experiences, which is why I repeated them. I am actually grateful for that final blow, because it caused me to really re-evaluate me, my life, and where I wanted to go.  I'm grateful to those who loved me through it all.  Repeating past mistakes is no longer an option for me, because of the way I conduct my life now. My former ways are just too foreign now, and don't fit in my world.


I completely understand where you're coming from and congrats for all the hard work. I can't imagine now making the choices i made when i was 20 or 25. I'm just not the same person.

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I am also continually learning, and paying attention to what I learn.  My inner circle is pretty small now, simply because I don't like surrounding myself with people whose life perspectives and characters/values aren't in alignment with my own. And yes, I am very comfortable in my skin as well.


I've always had a small inner circle, but for different reasons. I like to have people around me that are different than me in all sorts of ways.. but the ones i hold close are the ones who've earned my trust and who, usually, at some point, relied on me for something that required them to trust me a lot.

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I think everyone learns from experiences, but we can choose what we learn.  I could have learned to be bitter and angry, and I could have justified myself in doing so.  But it was important to me to come away from the past a happier and more positive person, so I took the path I needed to, to accomplish that.  However, I had to be ready for those lessons.  Until I was ready for them, they wouldn't get through to me.  I had to be in the right place, mentally and emotionally, to change.

I didn't look for a dominant to get me through all of that and to "better me."  I had to figure myself out, first, and along the way I met someone whose character impressed me, and who valued the things I do - like living a healthy and positive life.



I've done the bitter, angry person bit.. and it just eats you alive. you can't live like that for long, it devours you. I won't say i'm all roses and sunshine and that i'm always the most balanced or even the most positive or happy person, but i can say that i'm honest and i'm realistic. If the reality is grim, then that's how it is. I don't try to pretend that things aren't as bad as what they are anymore, and i don't sugar coat it to other people, either. I learned the hardest lesson. That to be honest to myself, i had to be honest to everyone else. Now if i'm working, yes, i'll be extra polite and may say things i don't really mean for a customer to be happy. But outside of a job.. i am who i am and you can like me or not and i won't bullshit you regardless of what's happening.

I'll tell you what, it's made the friendships i have much closer than any i ever had before.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 5/13/2011 7:18:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jewelsthepoet

I completely understand where you're coming from and congrats for all the hard work. I can't imagine now making the choices i made when i was 20 or 25. I'm just not the same person.

I didn't start getting my shit together until I reached 40.  Late bloomer, I suppose, lol.

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I've always had a small inner circle, but for different reasons. I like to have people around me that are different than me in all sorts of ways.. but the ones i hold close are the ones who've earned my trust and who, usually, at some point, relied on me for something that required them to trust me a lot.


I mostly just found myself spending less and less time with people who are negative, drama filled, dishonest, mean, etc.  Those aren't people I relate to anymore, or want to open myself up to.

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I've done the bitter, angry person bit.. and it just eats you alive. you can't live like that for long, it devours you. I won't say i'm all roses and sunshine and that i'm always the most balanced or even the most positive or happy person, but i can say that i'm honest and i'm realistic. If the reality is grim, then that's how it is. I don't try to pretend that things aren't as bad as what they are anymore, and i don't sugar coat it to other people, either. I learned the hardest lesson. That to be honest to myself, i had to be honest to everyone else. Now if i'm working, yes, i'll be extra polite and may say things i don't really mean for a customer to be happy. But outside of a job.. i am who i am and you can like me or not and i won't bullshit you regardless of what's happening.

I'll tell you what, it's made the friendships i have much closer than any i ever had before.



What I highlighted above was my most valuable gift to myself, although I learned it as "To be honest with others, I had to be honest with myself."  Sorta the same, only it had to start with me. Once I became honest with myself, I could begin to trust the decisions I made, trust my reactions to circumstances, and trust my inner voice.  While I regularly reflect on "where I am" internally, I don't second guess myself all the time.  When you second guess yourself, you risk allowing others to make decisions for you, which are not always in your best interest.  If I can't be confident in my decisions, how can I be confident in who I chose to give myself to? How can I be confident in the advice from others I chose to take?

I find it remarkably different to have a finger on my own pulse now, rather than doing whatever he says because I gave up on myself and have nothing else to go on.  Submission was always a part of me, but now I understand mine, and was able to make an aware and informed decision about who I gave myself to.


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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 5/13/2011 3:21:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

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ORIGINAL: uncertainlyizzy

Some people aren't looking for someone to "fix" them. They're looking for someone to hold their hand and support them while they "fix" themselves. And then there are some things that just plain can't be "fixed". Most people are more successful in growth and change when they have a sturdy support system. 


Dingity!!

No one knows my inner workings better than myself. Self-repair is the only option.

I don't want a Savior but someone who can savor my flavor.




~loud applause~ I agree totally with both of you. Sometimes it's easier to make self improvements if you have someone to help support you along the way and give you that extra boost encouragement brings.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 5/13/2011 3:30:25 PM   
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While you and i learned our lessons opposite of each other, we still have accomplished the same goal. We have learned to be more honest and truthful with ourselves and others. Which, has also lead us to another goal : Being able to accept ourselves as we are with all our flaws and be happy with who we are and what we may become.

For me, it was learning not to care what other people thought that drove the honesty lesson. Ok, i do care to some extent what people that matter to me think, but in the end run, i have to be happy with myself, regardless of what anyone else does think. So... i guess there's a lot of lessons involved in the long run, but the short and sweet is learning to accept yourself, be honest with yourself, and don't bullshit other people because in the end, it lowers how you feel about yourself.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 5/13/2011 3:42:30 PM   
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So... i guess there's a lot of lessons involved in the long run, but the short and sweet is learning to accept yourself, be honest with yourself, and don't bullshit other people because in the end, it lowers how you feel about yourself.


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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 5/14/2011 9:58:20 PM   
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Hmm... As someone who was unfortunately born wiser than the years I have (and I must say, I hate it), people have always come to me as someone to "fix" their problems. Unfortunately, I didn't learn the lesson to ignore the people who want to use you as a crutch until much later, but you learn a thousand things from mistakes as they say.
As of now, I live my life drawing strength from the people I am close with (everyone offers something different) and in return for this strength, I aid them in whatever way I can. If they need to be "fixed" I now take the Morpheus approach: "I can only show you the door, but it is you who must open it", and will advise you to the ends of the world, but I will never push anyone into acting. The few subs who truly know me all love this fact about me, and it is why they hang around me. I think a strong support from the bottom works much better than a weak pull from the top (please don't look at that in a BDSM mindset, everyone is a pyramid).

And to respond to the white knight comment earlier, as an actual white knight, I must agree on being cautious around those who appear to be such noble people. I for one, gladly wear scars on my back and heart that I have gotten from being chivalrous, and find those who use it as a means to trick people not even worthy of staining my blades.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 6/24/2011 8:16:55 PM   
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I have only ever been with women and consider myself straight as that is all I have ever been.  But I am bi curious and interested  finding a submissive side and exploring being a bottom.  However I am a strong person and a domineering person would meet serious resistance.  The idea woman would be one that is sweet and gentle and normally submissive and feminine.  She would understand some of my desires and would be the best teacher.  But would love to have that normal connection that would be great when roles reversed.  So I guess a life coach would be what I would want.  Not only in my straight top side but also in my bi submissive bottom interests.  She would also be a life coach in all other matters and hopefully I could also be hers.  I don't think I would want a dominant but instead a person that would have a part time dominant side but does it with her soft submissive feminine side.  I do have an interest in experiencing being a submissive bottom with guys too.  But they would have to not a dominant guy but more of a top that understands the hesitation and fear that a straight guy can have when being confronted with a foreign bi curious side.  To guide me slowly and comfortably through it.  So in some ways a life coach there as well.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 7/1/2011 5:28:30 PM   
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I am one of those "life coaches" or "white knights" or whatever you want to call it. I've been in several of these relationships and actively seek them out. That being said, I would severely caution someone looking to haz fix from another person. It doesn't happen that way. The s has to want it.

It truly depends on the motives of the D for entering into these relationships. Most are looking for an ego boosting "look what I did with this terrible mess of a human" or are just looking for an easy method of gaining control. These rarely workout in the long run because the ego seeker will never allow the s to truly grow into their own for fear of losing their ready boost of ego, and the other will actively hinder the growth of the s to maintain. Everybody in the world is motivated by one of the five things found in MARIE (Money, Addiction, Religion, Ideology, or Ego) If the D's motives are easily discernible and doesn't take the benefit of the other into consideration, it is bound to fail.

The only successful relationships like this that I have seen are those where the D has a very personal and usually very secret for His or Her actions. All in all, I would say buyer beware to anyone considering turning over their life to such a person. In this situation it is more important than ever to be very sure of who you are trusting.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 7/1/2011 7:51:35 PM   
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hmmm... I'm investigating getting certified as a life coach or getting a degree in somatic therapy.

Wonder what the professional value of tying sub and coach together would be?  (kidding, moreso than not)

My partners need to be well versed in many things. If we have different areas of expertise, even better.
I've loved learning from them, but I'm a lifetime learner.
my current partner has introduced me to baseball. Something I'd never consider before. I cook, and my culinary world is a universe away from his. We both learn and experience new things.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 7/2/2011 9:10:42 AM   
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Takes a hearty personality and a healthy psychological frame of mind to pull that off.

No it doesn't. It takes honesty. It's amazingly easy to keep one's actions aligned with one's words when the words represent actual intent. When I say, "I want to help you." that is not code for "I want you to suck my cock."

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 7/2/2011 9:33:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: petmonkey
Takes a hearty personality and a healthy psychological frame of mind to pull that off.

No it doesn't. It takes honesty. It's amazingly easy to keep one's actions aligned with one's words when the words represent actual intent. When I say, "I want to help you." that is not code for "I want you to suck my cock."


Leadership, from what I've seen, you tend to be very results-oriented. If you choose to help someone, I'd guess that your reward from this lies in seeing your goal (helping them) accomplished. A lot of white knights aren't like this - they enjoy the trust,  the vulnerability, the process. I'm like this, to an extent, although I also appreciate results.

Here is the problem: if you help someone overcome a challenge, and they continue to overcome, you continue to feel pleasure. If a process-oriented person helps someone overcome, she is deprived of her involvement in the process. If the person she is helping becomes self-sufficient, the process-oriented helper is deprived of something. It does take some psychological strength to give up something emotionally rewarding because it helps someone else.

On the other hand, there are people who like their partners weak because emotionally stable people don't feel obligated to give guilty blowjobs. These aren't white knights - they are emotionally manipulative and borderline abusive.


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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 7/2/2011 11:53:45 AM   
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For me it would seem that looking for somebody to "fix" what is wrong in my life would mean a limited relationship because once the problem was fixed He and i would have very little left. So yeah, while i can do better at a lot of things in my life (i am terrible with handling money) i don't want a Dom whose purpose will be "fix" me. Support me while i fix myself would be nice, loving encouragement always helps me to try harder. Acceptance of who i am now is even better--it implies that the "fix" while it would help me to be a better person is not in and of itself necessary.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 7/2/2011 6:06:57 PM   
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Here is the problem: if you help someone overcome a challenge, and they continue to overcome, you continue to feel pleasure. If a process-oriented person helps someone overcome, she is deprived of her involvement in the process. If the person she is helping becomes self-sufficient, the process-oriented helper is deprived of something. It does take some psychological strength to give up something emotionally rewarding because it helps someone else.

Granted. But lets be fair. Results oriented or not, I'm hardly immune from the massive emotional strokes that come from riding in on that white stallion.

The bottom line in my mind is that if you are currently needy yourself then you shouldn't get into a situation like this for exactly the reasons your spelling out. If I'm trying to fill someone else's cup then my own cannot be empty. You call it "process oriented". I'd call it selfish, greedy, and narcissistic... well... beyond the age of 25-ish anyway. Below that age I think of it as "normal life learning".

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 7/2/2011 10:01:56 PM   
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For me it would seem that looking for somebody to "fix" what is wrong in my life would mean a limited relationship because once the problem was fixed He and i would have very little left. So yeah, while i can do better at a lot of things in my life (i am terrible with handling money) i don't want a Dom whose purpose will be "fix" me. Support me while i fix myself would be nice, loving encouragement always helps me to try harder. Acceptance of who i am now is even better--it implies that the "fix" while it would help me to be a better person is not in and of itself necessary.


This is very accurate. These relationships only live as long as is necessary, at least if it is successful. None of mine have made it beyond the two year mark. But it is a sweet separation. Some people are what the times demand, beyond that time, it is unnecessary.

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RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? - 7/3/2011 1:02:19 AM   
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I consider my dom to also be a close friend.  I take his advice, and his thoughts seriously, even about things not related to D/s.  I would not at all say that I consider him to be a life coach to me, nor do I NEED his advice about anything, but he is wiser and smarter than I am, and so I do feel that if there was something in life I was struggling with, I would be grateful to have his opinion on it.  To be honest, I feel that if we didn’t have a friendship, I wouldn’t feel as comfortable submitting to him, or be able to submit as fully.

My Dom is a wonderful man who I admire, respect, and look up to.

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