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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 5:55:57 AM   
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You would need a point of reference.

Let's say you were born in prison and lived your entire life there. What would you know of the outside ?

Younger people do not have that reference point with which to compare life today. And it helps that families have been broken up, by whatever means (a totally different topic, almost).

My Grandfather was multiligual and being hard of hearing later in life, learned how to read lips. On TV they had a foreign leader saying something with a translator translating, obviously. Grampa said "That's not what he said".

Whaddya make of that ?

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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 6:23:17 AM   
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precisely the same thing that goes on in court now days.

its not about truth.

its what can be "sold" as truth.

or cause enough confusion in the public to thwart any solidarity until they complete whatever operation they want to accomplish.

its something that media educated retards cannot grasp.





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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 6:29:03 AM   
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Yet it's your modus operandi.

Interesting. The clouded mirror.

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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 9:57:34 AM   
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8 million people have been squeezed out of jobs, many thousands had their homes fraudulently stolen from them, many businesses closed doors, likewise a good number of schools in the US. Where you been? It's been going on for over 30 years, though just the last few years as for the ultimate effect.

Sounds more like 8 million people doing something society didn't really need (that's capitalism for ya) and thousands of people being given loans beyond their means to repay.
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Some of us who were awake knew this even before any personal experience, but I've got a nephew in prison for 3 years minimum for possession of some quantity of the herb. Not for using, not for selling, just possession.

He was either using or selling. Nobody caries around drugs because they like the feel of it in their pockets. I'm not particularly anti drugs but you don't choose which laws you follow. There is a good case for the decriminalisation of drugs but crucially it hasn't happened yet and so people shouldn't get ahead of themselves and assume law enforcers or prosecutors will look the other way. Plenty will say "Oh they are not my drugs I am holding them for a friend." but you can only prosecute people based on the evidence found. I'm not sure how any of this fits in with the wider context of the thread? It's a bit of a stretch to think the police officers in question are arresting people for any other reason than the fact very well established laws have been broken. Perhaps you are arguing that the prosecutor has a hidden motive for populating the prison cells?
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Some people still have this silly notion in their head that it's all based upon 'politics.' Hence the idiotic allusions to N. Korea or the middle east.

Everything is political. A car crashing into your house is political as soon as you start to ask why someone who was drunk was able to drive it. If it's not politics then what is it, fill in the blanks for me: "My nephew was imprisoned because...."

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How's the tuition situation in the UK, BTW?

Getting better, soon having a degree may actually mean something to an employer. Soon people will go to University to learn more than how to projectile vomit on a Friday night.


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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 10:33:11 AM   
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So Waco and Ruby Ridge were warranted ?

These were a long time ago, how long is this master plan going to take? Are the puppeteers involved handing on their aims and objectives to the next generation?
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Oil prices go down and gasoline goes up and that makes sense to you ? Everything costs more regardless of "inflation" ? On, one exception, property you already have, that's dropping like a rock. It's the property you don't have that seems so valuable.

Oil prices rapidly vary depending on global events such as the Libya crisis and the reported death of UBL. This is because speculators are trying to predict what effect such events will have on the wholesale cost of oil. You can see they aren't very good at it considering how the price went so high off the back of a crisis in a country that only supplies 6% of the world's oil. Government has no control over this. As for your gas prices well that is set by the station vendor there is always a lag and largely the only thing that brings those costs down are competition with other vendors. Government taxation is a tiny fraction of the cost in the US and so they can't really control this either.
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If you don't see the screws being tightened on people, you are either incredibly wealthy or deluded somehow. If you don't see the myriad of unjust laws being passed and peoples' rights being trampled, you must have not been aware of them. Perhaps youth is the explaination. I grew up in a time when they couldn't search your car without a warrant. The cops came to the house they did not break the door down and put it on TV. Maybe you weren't there.

I try to live within my means I'm not wealthy. A warrant to search a car are you joking, how did that work with suspected DUI cases?. "Sir I've pulled you over because I suspect you are driving whilst under the influence now please wait here while I get a warrant to search your car for alcohol and drugs."
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What people don't understand is for one that the uber riche' do not make themselves nor their affairs public. Everything you do see is a smokescreen. Another thing is that this goes on generation after generation. We were all born into it and that makes it something most cannot see, it is simply seems normal. Trust me, it is not. You would have to have been there.

Can you pinpoint the exact moment in history when it all changed?
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Money is power. Power is more powerful when it is insidious. I actually agree that this planet is overpopulated, I just don't agree on who has to go. And ironically, I probably don't meet my own standard of worthiness. So be it.

If you are going to get rid of anyone then realistically it has to be the old like in Logan's Run but who is going to say to an old person. "Right you've been paying into society all your life but now society doesn't need you so pissoff." That wouldn't be fair. We also can't get rid of the young because they are the future of society. Probably we need to get rid of the thirty five to forty five year olds but these are the people currently making the decisions in society and so will never agree to it. You need people willing to stick their arms in the toilet to pull out something nasty. No point having a bunch of intellects that have no stomach for the nitty gritty.
The population doesn't have to shrink we need to more evenly distribute the resources.


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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 10:42:19 AM   
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Are the puppeteers involved handing on their aims and objectives to the next generation?

That is correct. Considering that you posed it as a question, I surmise that you arrived at this truth accidentally and do not take the truth you stumbled upon seriously?

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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 11:02:03 AM   
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Accidentally??? I'll have you know that in actual fact I used a curve fitting approach in unison with tangential random sentences.

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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 11:13:47 AM   
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OK I'm wrong, everything is fine. Back to watching American Idol.

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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 11:17:25 AM   
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And the government is essentially run by corporations, but 'it's all politics.'


I'm not going to "fill in the blanks" for someone with far too many blanks to fill in.




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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 11:20:35 AM   
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Won't or can't?


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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 11:51:06 AM   
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None of the above. "Have already done that for other lazy asses on numerous occasions" being the correct answer there.


Arthur Hayes  http://www.wnho.net/letter_to_foia_fda.htm

Donald Rumsfeld  http://www.rense.com/general33/legal.htm

Lots of names here http://thinkprogress.org/interior-scandals-under-bush/

Deborah Majoras, an oil lobbyist, who replaced Timothy Muris, another lobbyist, as FTC chair http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Deborah_Platt_Majoras

Darn, how did all those mergers happen?

Larry Summers, Henry Paulson, etc.,  the list is actually quite extensive, and don't forget Michael Taylor http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/youre-appointing-who-plea_b_243810.html


Not to mention all the so-called 'think tanks' funded by the largest corporations, the self-ascribed 'bi-partisan' ones especially, the huge media conglomerates, etc.


This could go on for several more pages, but there's your starter book.


Politics is the cover story. The same money goes to either side.





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RE: The herd - 5/8/2011 11:58:52 AM   
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Yes there are lobbyists always have been but what can you do?

It's all a bit murky as to if what they do is good or bad to society i.e. most lobbyists will proclaim a suggested action would benefit society. Such as the banking lobby asking the government not to tax them or they'll remove themselves from that economy and the people will get no benefit. What benefit they do get isn't really quantified in any meaningful way.


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