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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

really?  lets see your source on that.  no kids were raped.


the invite to look around was up to one day prior to the massacre.

government agents came and left as they pleased as long as they called him and made arrangements first.

when they came in shooting then they shot back.

you justify the burning alive of 100 women and children to fix rumors none of which were true.

that is twisted sick shit by any sane persons definition.

Here's a New York Times story about Koresh having sex with girls as young as 11, which is RAPE!!! http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/us/growing-up-under-koresh-cult-children-tell-of-abuses.html

What proof do you have that the ATF went in shooting first? NONE, except in that twisted, diseased, paranoid, the Gov't is out to get me, brain of yours.

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No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing."

No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing."

No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages.

they had plenty of oportunity to arrest koresh.  shit he went out for groceries. the atf admitted they planned that operation for months.  just like 911.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing."

No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages.

they had plenty of oportunity to arrest koresh.  shit he went out for groceries. the atf admitted they planned that operation for months.  just like 911.

I know that the ATF made mistakes. BUT, we ilve in a nation of laws. When a legal document is served on you. you comply. Then, you fight it out in court. You don't hunker down with your children and fight a gun battle.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: lickenforyou

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing."

No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages.

they had plenty of oportunity to arrest koresh.  shit he went out for groceries. the atf admitted they planned that operation for months.  just like 911.

I know that the ATF made mistakes. BUT, we ilve in a nation of laws. When a legal document is served on you. you comply. Then, you fight it out in court. You don't hunker down with your children and fight a gun battle.

mistakes?  slaughter 100 men woman and little children and you call it a fucking mistake.   you are a fucking psychopath pal.

there was no probable cause to go in that is why bush didnt.  clinton on the other hand had a few people he needed out of his hair and authorized the OPERATION to move forward.

THE OPERATION THAT WAS PLANNED MONTHS IN ADVANCE!

you label tyranny law.

those kids in your mind deserved to die a brutal death for no crime committed.  not even by the adults.  your think resisting arrest is a fucking shootem up and burnem offense.

you justify murder without law.

none of those kids had the protection of law nor did the adults.  Only a fucking twisted psychopath could even go there.  YOu must work for the government.

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I accept your concession.

You can't accept what wasn't offered.

But you are really a cute little fuzzball.

thats called concession by tacit admission or acquiescence.  go to court one time and you will figure it out real quick.

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No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing."

No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
I have a short attention span

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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No, but the people who fired on the ATF put the children in harms way. The ATF is supposed to do what in that situation? Not fire back? Just leave and say "never mind you're shooting at us but we'll just forget about the whole thing."

No question that those initial shooters should have placed the childrens' welfare first. But they didn't. So at that point, a saner, compassionate, responsible ATF would have treated the children like hostages.

They did treat them as hostages. That is why the assault on the compound was made using tear gas and not live ammo. Koresh and his loyalists killed the children by setting the fires.

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WASHINGTON – The government's hunt for Osama bin Laden has left the country questioning whether the tactics used to interrogate suspected terrorists were successful and lawful. With his death, both sides of the debate have regrouped along familiar lines, claiming they were right all along.

But America's greatest counterterrorism success does not represent a victory for either camp. Rather, it paints a clearer picture of the CIA's interrogation and detention program, revealing where it was successful and where its successes have been overstated.

Bin Laden death reignites debate over CIA tactics

This brings up an interesting point. The US will scream bloody murder if there is even a suspicion of American prisoners being tortured, but it is perfectly okay for America to torture prisoners.

well the american guv had no problems screaming about tinneman square while at the same time they burned a 100 men women and children alive at waco.    and spare me the bullshit story you like to tell about them torching themselves because we have the flir photos and we seen the guv torch the place fire upon them and then turn right around and lie about it like they do with everything.

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RO you're lying. The Davidians themselves admit that the shooting was from their own side. Everyone killed during the final asault was killed by the Davidians. Go read the court testimony of the Davidians.

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Most of the Waco group were purposely exterminated by 'government forces', DK. The ironic fact is that those victims probably had no idea why they were targetted for extermination. Presumably one of them knew something that was of such crucial importance that it could not be allowed to be made public and that therefore the decision was made to use government forces, including Timmy as a stool pigeon, to exterminate as many of them as they possibly could in order to reduce the chance of the information escaping to the broad public to near zero. Doubtlessly any survivors were ruthlessly interrogated in order to determine whether any of them carried the information - and if so quietly disposed off.

Edited to add: David Carradine on the other hand, being a single individual, was easily and quietely disposed off in his hotel room without all the drama. I wonder what he had learned that necessitated him being murdered.

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RO you're lying. The Davidians themselves admit that the shooting was from their own side. Everyone killed during the final asault was killed by the Davidians. Go read the court testimony of the Davidians.

yeh after they were shot at.  koresh opened the door unarmed and was shot through the front door.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Most of the Waco group were purposely exterminated by 'government forces', DK. The ironic fact is that those victims probably had no idea why they were targetted for extermination. Presumably one of them knew something that was of such crucial importance that it could not be allowed to be made public and that therefore the decision was made to use government forces, including Timmy as a stool pigeon, to exterminate as many of them as they possibly could in order to reduce the chance of the information escaping to the broad public to near zero. Doubtlessly any survivors were ruthlessly interrogated in order to determine whether any of them carried the information - and if so quietly disposed off.

Edited to add: David Carradine on the other hand, being a single individual, was easily and quietely disposed off in his hotel room without all the drama. I wonder what he had learned that necessitated him being murdered.