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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 12:04:17 PM   
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The OP is about food stamps.


Food stamps are transfer payments.




Neither your first nor your latest post has anything to do with that.


Do note though that the latest post mentions subsidies, a flow of tax dollars to large corporations, something strenuously and incessantly argued for from your camp.










ROFL. What a maroon. Where does the money for transfer payments come from? OH YEAH, TAXES!

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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 12:05:18 PM   
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More like 1 in 5, but 9% is joke.

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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 12:19:37 PM   
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ROFL. What a maroon. Where does the money for transfer payments come from? OH YEAH, TAXES!





I actually prefer burgundy to maroon, but your display of confusion in areas aside from economics noted.


Food stamps are expenditure, the item under discussion.

Taxes are revenue.

Take a few weeks to let that sink in.








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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 1:16:39 PM   
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ROFL. What a maroon. Where does the money for transfer payments come from? OH YEAH, TAXES!





I actually prefer burgundy to maroon, but your display of confusion in areas aside from economics noted.


Food stamps are expenditure, the item under discussion.

Taxes are revenue.

Take a few weeks to let that sink in.







Take a few lives to let your own words sink in.

"Food stamps are transfer payments".

Transfer payments have two sides...revenue and expenditures. They are combined into a single element of fiscal policy, precisely what the study is about.

You are even more pathetic than DK. You actually have some knowledge of what you're talking about, you just twist it to cover your ass when you make an obviously wrong series of posts.

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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 1:58:03 PM   
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Neither the study nor anything else you've posted here had anything to do with the topic. Just awkward contortions due to blatant lack of comprehension.














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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 2:10:53 PM   
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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 2:13:25 PM   
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It averaged about 1 in 20 during the bush years

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Was it 1 in 6 when Bush was president?

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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 2:15:55 PM   
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No, we prefer policies that actually help the situation vs. the feel good policies of leftists which actually do far more harm than good.

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Wilbur and the other right wingnuts on this board like the idea of the people who are unemployed through no fault of their own, or underemployed, old, poor etc going hungry and homeless.


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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 2:46:16 PM   
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No, we prefer policies that actually help the situation vs. the feel good policies of leftists which actually do far more harm than good.

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Wilbur and the other right wingnuts on this board like the idea of the people who are unemployed through no fault of their own, or underemployed, old, poor etc going hungry and homeless.



Name ONE policy that the right has put forward to solve the problems of unemployment, hunger, homelessness, and the economy that the fucking right wing created!

And for the record, and feel free to look it up, unemployment GREW steadily during the Bush years. The republicans tanked the economy with lousy regulations on wall street and the banking industry.

One of the biggest contributors to the Republican campaign funds was a group working with companies to MOVE jobs overseas. Not much chance of job growth with that attitude.


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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 2:50:50 PM   
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No, we prefer policies that actually help the situation vs. the feel good policies of leftists which actually do far more harm than good.

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Wilbur and the other right wingnuts on this board like the idea of the people who are unemployed through no fault of their own, or underemployed, old, poor etc going hungry and homeless.


Name one jobs or financial help Bill that the repubs have even TRIED to pass since "taking over", that make things better for the under employed, the unemployed, the poor and the sick?
Oh ya thats right, there hasnt been one

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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 3:03:57 PM   
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One in three people in this country are unemployed. Ten percent my ass.

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More like 1 in 5, but 9% is joke.



Its 15.9%.

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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 3:03:57 PM   
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Domi, you are right way too right too often :)



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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 7:27:43 PM   
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Given the unemployment numbers (I'll take your cherry picked one rather than argue about it), that's not at all a bad food stamp number, considering that unemployed/underemployed people have families. It also means that with a pick-up in the economy (i.e., to the point of returning workers to employment), we can expect the food stamp numbers to fall as well.

I'd say the program is doing exactly what it's designed to do.

Yes, you are correct, food stamps are a safety net but now not surprisingly, straining the taxpayers budget. The point is why is it becoming increasingly necessary ?

For close to a century the whole idea, the concept for economy has been that something called capitalism would best serve society and do this by making it possible for and in fact was supposed to make everybody richer. It obviously does not because it cannot.

Capitalism was to provide more then enough jobs...it has not. It was to actually result in ever increasing productivity gains...it has but followed by corresponding pay raises...it has not. It was to provide the efficiencies of competition and thus the lowest most 'competitive' prices...it does not. Vital markets have been narrowed by mergers productivity gains have been substantial yet raises almost nothing if the job isn't exported.

The results are becoming all too obvious to see. Capitalism produces debt as it must to provide continuing huge and ever growing profits. That debt all throughout society...is going up virtually every minute. Studies have shown that since about 1970, after inflation, over 1/2 the population are no richer or are in fact...poorer. Poor enough...you need food stamps.

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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 8:32:16 PM   
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That is good for business and that is good for America!

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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 8:49:05 PM   
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One in three people in this country are unemployed. Ten percent my ass.

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thats what is deceiving about it.

People are on unemployment and are only on the list while they are collecting unemployment, when it runs out they get dropped off the list.  Then its anyones guess what they do after that.  Do they spend out their savings for a while of get food stamps?  who knows?  I suspect and this is just from having my ear on the track that they spend savings for a while anyway, so that would imply a delay where they would be off record and then at some point later they get the welfare or food stamps.

So the real numbers of unemployed are much higher than what the figures suggest.

Its segregated to make it look better than it is.


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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 9:18:41 PM   
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•U1 : Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
•U2 : Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
•U3 : Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
•U4 : U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
•U5 : U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
•U6 : U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons.


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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 9:40:12 PM   
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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/8/2011 9:49:36 PM   
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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/9/2011 5:40:31 AM   
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See, Conservatives know that businesses create wealth and that government saps wealth. That means the best jobs bill is tax relief and smaller government... less red tape and unwarranted regulation handicapping business.

For the government to create a job it has to first take money out of the economy, and how is that supposed to help

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No, we prefer policies that actually help the situation vs. the feel good policies of leftists which actually do far more harm than good.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Wilbur and the other right wingnuts on this board like the idea of the people who are unemployed through no fault of their own, or underemployed, old, poor etc going hungry and homeless.


Name one jobs or financial help Bill that the repubs have even TRIED to pass since "taking over", that make things better for the under employed, the unemployed, the poor and the sick?
Oh ya thats right, there hasnt been one


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RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 3... - 5/9/2011 6:32:40 AM   
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See, Conservatives know that businesses create wealth and that government saps wealth. That means the best jobs bill is tax relief and smaller government... less red tape and unwarranted regulation handicapping business.

For the government to create a job it has to first take money out of the economy, and how is that supposed to help






Well, then, since the Bush Tax Cuts went into affect, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE JOBS? There hasn't been any. Even a conservative has to admit that, if he is honest.

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