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mnottertail -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 6:46:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity For the government to create a job it has to first take money out of the economy, and how is that supposed to help jlf showed the outright lie perpetrated by your first paragraph, and I will speak to the ignorance of this. Yeah, the government is sitting on a pile of money that they have taken out of the economy, it is just sitting there, big as you please, doing nothing, not even drawing interest, or sitting around in case someone wants a social security check, waiting for that moment when they can put it in the economy of Iraq. We read about that every day. (That is a reductio ad absurdum)

VideoAdminXi -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 6:53:43 AM)
I had to pull quite a few posts for personal attacks. If you can't address the topic without violating the TOS, don't post. VideoAdminXi

Sanity -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 7:05:48 AM)
Unemployment averaged 5% under Bush, and theres a lot more that goes into the economy than just tax cuts jlf. For one thing Bush spent like a big leftist. The terrorist attacks on the World TRADE Center didnt help, noor did Barney Franks housing / banking collapse quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, then, since the Bush Tax Cuts went into affect, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE JOBS? There hasn't been any. Even a conservative has to admit that, if he is honest.

Sanity -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 7:07:01 AM)
No mnot, the government is sitting on a hole quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity For the government to create a job it has to first take money out of the economy, and how is that supposed to help jlf showed the outright lie perpetrated by your first paragraph, and I will speak to the ignorance of this. Yeah, the government is sitting on a pile of money that they have taken out of the economy, it is just sitting there, big as you please, doing nothing, not even drawing interest, or sitting around in case someone wants a social security check, waiting for that moment when they can put it in the economy of Iraq. We read about that every day. (That is a reductio ad absurdum)

MrRodgers -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 7:08:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity See, Conservatives know that businesses create wealth and that government saps wealth. That means the best jobs bill is tax relief and smaller government... less red tape and unwarranted regulation handicapping business. For the government to create a job it has to first take money out of the economy, and how is that supposed to help quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No, we prefer policies that actually help the situation vs. the feel good policies of leftists which actually do far more harm than good. quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Wilbur and the other right wingnuts on this board like the idea of the people who are unemployed through no fault of their own, or underemployed, old, poor etc going hungry and homeless. Name one jobs or financial help Bill that the repubs have even TRIED to pass since "taking over", that make things better for the under employed, the unemployed, the poor and the sick? Oh ya thats right, there hasnt been one Businesses do not create wealth, they seek to profit from an exchange of wealth. That wealth comes from that earned by the customer receiving cash in exchange for their labor, then paying a value added or enhanced value due to seller's labor.

mnottertail -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 7:26:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No mnot, the government is sitting on a hole quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity For the government to create a job it has to first take money out of the economy, and how is that supposed to help jlf showed the outright lie perpetrated by your first paragraph, and I will speak to the ignorance of this. Yeah, the government is sitting on a pile of money that they have taken out of the economy, it is just sitting there, big as you please, doing nothing, not even drawing interest, or sitting around in case someone wants a social security check, waiting for that moment when they can put it in the economy of Iraq. We read about that every day. (That is a reductio ad absurdum) Now you're catching on!!!!! This is why both paragraphs are absolutely incorrect!!!! See, thats called causal.

MrRodgers -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 7:32:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Unemployment averaged 5% under Bush, and theres a lot more that goes into the economy than just tax cuts jlf. For one thing Bush spent like a big leftist. The terrorist attacks on the World TRADE Center didnt help, noor did Barney Franks housing / banking collapse quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, then, since the Bush Tax Cuts went into affect, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE JOBS? There hasn't been any. Even a conservative has to admit that, if he is honest. As I said...Bush had the worst 2 term total job creation on record. Clinton the lefty liberal, raised taxes got pay-as-you-go in congress and in his 2 terms created 22 million jobs and a surplus. Bush the fascist righty, cut $2-$3 trillion in personal and business taxes increased govt. spending and created 7 million jobs while adding $7 trillion in govt. debt.

Sanity -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 7:36:43 AM)
Leftists alternatively like to argue that its congress, not presidents who control the budget and the economy and then they flip arguments when its convenient for them to do so

jlf1961 -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 7:52:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Unemployment averaged 5% under Bush, and theres a lot more that goes into the economy than just tax cuts jlf. For one thing Bush spent like a big leftist. The terrorist attacks on the World TRADE Center didnt help, noor did Barney Franks housing / banking collapse quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, then, since the Bush Tax Cuts went into affect, WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE JOBS? There hasn't been any. Even a conservative has to admit that, if he is honest. Unemployment ROSE consistently during the Bush Presidency, it has declined consistently during the Obama Presidency. The Bush economic programs allowed the economy to tank, it has begun to recover under the present administration. The Republican "trickle down" economic policies did not work under Reagen, Bush sr. and Bush jr.

mnottertail -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 7:55:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Leftists alternatively like to argue that its congress, not presidents who control the budget and the economy and then they flip arguments when its convenient for them to do so His first six years was a republican house, so how is that out of line with fact?

Sanity -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 8:12:30 AM)
Obama had a fillibuster proof majority, therefore his partys extending the Bush tax cuts was a tacit admission on the part of Democrats that lower taxes (letting people and businesses keep their own money) is better for the economy than if the government robs the people of their money to give to bureaucrats to give back to people and businesses. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail His first six years was a republican house, so how is that out of line with fact?

Sanity -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 8:13:47 AM)
No, check your facts - unemployment just shot up to 9% quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Unemployment ROSE consistently during the Bush Presidency, it has declined consistently during the Obama Presidency. The Bush economic programs allowed the economy to tank, it has begun to recover under the present administration. The Republican "trickle down" economic policies did not work under Reagen, Bush sr. and Bush jr.

mnottertail -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 8:15:47 AM)
There is no filibuster proof majority, the house does not filibuster. No, it was tacit admission that handing checks to people is something that is politically enamoured, regardless of what it does to the economy. It is sort of like you have a tacit admission that wisconsin republicans are lawless goons and thugs, because you didn't go out and shoot the people that were circulating the recall petitions.

Sanity -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 8:19:31 AM)
They also had a solid majority in the House but dont let the facts get in the way of your irrelevant trivial off topic spin quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail There is no filibuster proof majority, the house does not filibuster. No, it was tacit admission that handing checks to people is something that is politically enamoured, regardless of what it does to the economy. It is sort of like you have a tacit admission that wisconsin republicans are lawless goons and thugs, because you didn't go out and shoot the people that were circulating the recall petitions.

mnottertail -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 8:22:53 AM)
Exactly what I said, and your off topic spin is designed to let you off the hook by derail. I REPEAT: There is no filibuster in the house. Regarding the other bit of worthless spin of tacit admission.........bullshit, everyone knows why they did it, because it was a popular idiots orgasm, wrecking the country is of little concern to politicians.

tazzygirl -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 8:35:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No, check your facts - unemployment just shot up to 9% quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Unemployment ROSE consistently during the Bush Presidency, it has declined consistently during the Obama Presidency. The Bush economic programs allowed the economy to tank, it has begun to recover under the present administration. The Republican "trickle down" economic policies did not work under Reagen, Bush sr. and Bush jr. Shot up to 9% from 8.9%? Do you really want to go with that terminology? Do you care that unemployment went from 4.2% to 8.2% under Bush (using the official numbers)? In comparison, the same numbers went from 8.2% Feb, 2009 to a current rate of 9.0. with a peak of 10.1. Unemployment has grown under the currect administration, but no where has it "shot up" like under the previous one. Just to show Im not being unreasonable, I looked back till 1970. Rates have not been this high since under Reagan in 82-83.

Real0ne -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 8:49:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity For the government to create a job it has to first take money out of the economy, and how is that supposed to help well it sorta does both. they take out a loan, bonds, which means interest, and if one presumes that the people getting the jobs are unemployed and those people spend it right back into the economy its a 2 way street but you still have that interest hanging over your head and of course fed res interest can never be paid back so its cumulative causing the exponential rise in inflation we have now. "even though its only 3% per year on the 20ma" lol

rulemylife -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 8:57:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Unemployment has grown under the currect administration, but no where has it "shot up" like under the previous one. Just to show Im not being unreasonable, I looked back till 1970. Rates have not been this high since under Reagan in 82-83. I'm sure you are wrong about that. The sainted Uncle Ronnie would never have allowed that to happen.

tazzygirl -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 9:00:24 AM)
http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate.jsp?fromYear=1976&toYear=2011

jlf1961 -> RE: The American Dream! 43 million on food stamps! 30 Million Unemployed (5/9/2011 9:27:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Obama had a fillibuster proof majority, therefore his partys extending the Bush tax cuts was a tacit admission on the part of Democrats that lower taxes (letting people and businesses keep their own money) is better for the economy than if the government robs the people of their money to give to bureaucrats to give back to people and businesses. Excuse me, Sanity, but you are revising history again, at the time the Bush Tax cuts were extended, the senate was 41 republicans 58 democrats, and 1 libertarian. For a filibuster proof majority, YOU NEED 60 VOTES IN THE MAJORITY.

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