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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 12:21:28 PM   
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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 12:21:50 PM   
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Sure thats it, he is an evil genius monkey...


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That's actually what I was getting: the chimp was a lot more interested in securing Haliburton an oil rich vassal state than chasing after somebody he couldn't be bothered tracking down over knocking over a couple of buildings in New York.




I didn't see anyone refer to him as a genius?

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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 12:24:25 PM   
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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 12:26:12 PM   
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No argument with most of what you said, but:
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Bush's failing presidency distracted him as did the epic financial failures of our banking system.

What was distracting him until 2007 if those are the only factors?

Plenty...hew was using the federal DOJ and a 19th century OCC law to stop all 50 state's atty. generals from stopping the bank fraud. He was busy continuing his incompetence at the time in the 6 & 4 years long respectively in the middle-east wars for profit. He was working on federal loan backing for GM et al. He was very involved...in right wing, capitalist 'scummery.'

He was raising the debt limit for the 7th straight year...hard work for a so-called 'fiscal conservative.' He was likely negotiating with wall street on the timing of the coming bailout. He was managing tariffs on steel and lumber, raising their prices, protecting his sponsors profits. He was implementing the largest transportation bill in history.


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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 12:31:36 PM   
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It was a rhetorical question for comic effect, sweetie, but thanks.
(You missed that he was trying to cut NAFTA payments to Canada for lumber while inflating the domestic price, btw...)

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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 12:59:53 PM   
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Nope, it is not just you who wonders, for I do too, but all I can say in answer, was OBL served a political purpose and his final purpose was boosting a flagging presidents political career.

But RO is quite correct, some people do not sell out there principles for money, for there is still some integrity left in this modern world and besides OBL I believe had taken on some kind of folk hero status for being a rebel up against what many over there see as the oppressor.

Perhaps OBL was seen as a modern day Saladin, seeing as it was Bush who mentioned crusade.


Yeah, he was a real fucking hero.

How about if I buy you a plane ticket and you can visit all the families that this coward devastated and explain to them how he was just rebelling against their oppression.



why skew and dramatize the post?

Dont you have a valid point to make that you have to stoop to bullshit and drama queen hyperbole to get an emotional response rather than a thought out response?

That is really lame you know and shows your inadequcies.

Anyway I do not see where anyone said he was a hero to us.  I continue to point that people who ant people murdered without trial are psychopaths and there seems to be a lot of them now days.

If he was a hero to his own people he is now a martyr to them.  murdered by the fair and just us of a long arm of the uk.   Nice move ohaha!



I guess it would be because I'm emotional about it.

You continue to dwell on this scumbag's supposed assassination, of which you have no proof whatsoever.

You have absolutely nothing to back yet another of your nonsensical conspiracy theories.

Meanwhile there are thousands of families who had loved ones murdered by the man you are complaining was being persecuted and not given a trial.

Tell me, was there a trial before those innocent victims were sentenced to death?

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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 1:05:18 PM   
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(Not to say that OBL was assassinated, of course, but it still hasn't been ruled out that the order to take him alive was just there for plausible deniability and somebody didn't want the hassle of a trial.)

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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 1:11:23 PM   
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There is the whole thing of due process and the your government being held to higher standards than terrorists who can't shave properly, but then that's just bleeding heart liberal nonsense of no consequence, isn't it?

(Not to say that OBL was assassinated, of course, but it still hasn't been ruled out that the order to take him alive was just there for plausible deniability and somebody didn't want the hassle of a trial.)


And it still hasn't been ruled out that there were WMD's in Iraq, the moon landings were actually filmed in Hollywood, and the Holocaust was actually a mass suicide.

Once you start down the conspiracy trail there is no turning back.

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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 1:23:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		The legal argument concerning OBL's status would be the only determining factor as to how his killing is perceived. As a belligerent in a war, he is fair game, trial or not. RO keeps pushing that those who agree that his killing is a good thing for America, are all psycho lunatics takes away a lot of his validity. I am certain there are few here qualified to make the argument on either side. The Attorney General classified the killing as an act of national Self Defense. I think I'd agree with Mr. Holder over the vaunted intellect of a cheese head that has obviously spent too much time in the cold.



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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 1:51:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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Nope, it is not just you who wonders, for I do too, but all I can say in answer, was OBL served a political purpose and his final purpose was boosting a flagging presidents political career.

But RO is quite correct, some people do not sell out there principles for money, for there is still some integrity left in this modern world and besides OBL I believe had taken on some kind of folk hero status for being a rebel up against what many over there see as the oppressor.

Perhaps OBL was seen as a modern day Saladin, seeing as it was Bush who mentioned crusade.


Yeah, he was a real fucking hero.

How about if I buy you a plane ticket and you can visit all the families that this coward devastated and explain to them how he was just rebelling against their oppression.



The Sixth Century BCE philosopher-general Sun Tzu, author of The Art of War emphasized the importance of understanding one's enemy, that is what I do when considering potential threats, so to say OBL was a possible folk hero fighting against oppression would be quite correct, for one has to consider the person from the enemies point of view. To successfully defeat a potential enemy, one must first understand them and by studying the fact not the fiction, one stands to understand how a potential enemy thinks and there be ready to meet them at every corner. Remove the surprise factor and a war stands more chance of being won in our favour.

But an interesting article also describing the western belief that everything has a price tag, something that is increasingly being found to be wrong when it comes to Islamic extremists, for they are true believers, they live, fight and die for their belief, many simply cannot be bought;

Understanding our Enemies by David Zucker


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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 2:17:19 PM   
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to say OBL was a possible folk hero fighting against oppression would be quite correct, for one has to consider the person from the enemies point of view.

Unfortunately the nuts who adored obl were entirely wrong in their perceptions: obl was an agent for the USA when he financed the war by some Afghan people against the Russian troops, and he still was an agent for the USA until the very end of his live, and he did not have anything to do with 911 other than to claim the atrocity as he was ordered to do. So to perceive him as a hero is simply wrong. In fact the fight against the Russians in Afghanistan hurt lots of Afghan people.

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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:04:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

The Sixth Century BCE philosopher-general Sun Tzu, author of The Art of War emphasized the importance of understanding one's enemy, that is what I do when considering potential threats, so to say OBL was a possible folk hero fighting against oppression would be quite correct, for one has to consider the person from the enemies point of view. To successfully defeat a potential enemy, one must first understand them and by studying the fact not the fiction, one stands to understand how a potential enemy thinks and there be ready to meet them at every corner. Remove the surprise factor and a war stands more chance of being won in our favour.

But an interesting article also describing the western belief that everything has a price tag, something that is increasingly being found to be wrong when it comes to Islamic extremists, for they are true believers, they live, fight and die for their belief, many simply cannot be bought;

Understanding our Enemies by David Zucker



Extremism, by the very definition of the word, is not rational thought and you can't justify it, excuse it, or try to understand it.

And I'm not just talking about terrorism.  I'm talking about anyone so immersed in their beliefs that they cannot even consider any other point of view.

It is one thing to have strong beliefs but quite another to be so convinced of the righteousness of those beliefs that nothing else is acceptable.

By the way,  I'm pretty sure quoting a Rabbi on his beliefs toward Islam offers a somewhat prejudicial view.






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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:20:48 PM   
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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:25:53 PM   
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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:27:04 PM   
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I know where there is a flag with fringe on it.


Did you ever manage to finger out what that is.....nah.....  LMAO


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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:28:54 PM   
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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:29:15 PM   
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Where's the evidence...it could all be faked...I can here his goofy
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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:33:56 PM   
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2 concessions in 1 week, you are slipping.


Yes, I'm slipping down the slippery slope into RealOneLand.

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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:43:55 PM   
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By the way, I'm pretty sure quoting a Rabbi on his beliefs toward Islam offers a somewhat prejudicial view.


I don't care what the person is, it is what he says that matters, and what he is saying in that article some on here in this thread have also said, myself included, therefore he does have some valid points, in particular the western belief that everyone can be bought is as Zucker said simply not true, for there are some that do not do for money and are preepared to die for their beliefs, which makes them the most effective form of combatant and a form we need to be aware of and if possible, deter them from extremities of their belief. This can only be achieved I believe by understanding thy enemy, put thyself in their shoes so to speak and apply what you know about them.

As to religious world domination, a possible goal of some Islamists and quite possibly also the goal of some Christians and Jews for there are extremists in every religion.

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RE: Does anyone else wonder why it took almost 10 years... - 5/9/2011 3:48:10 PM   
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2 concessions in 1 week, you are slipping.


Yes, I'm slipping down the slippery slope into RealOneLand.

Will you hold my hand Tin Man as we skip down the yellow brick road?




another talking about "stuff" they do not understand.

Do you know that TIN man represents?   this is tooooooo funny and getting better all the time.

himt: they put shit in sci fi that refers to cerrtain things and events in reality....  makes it more entertaining.  Just like the matrix movie the name Nebuchadnezzar was not pulled out of someones ass, it has a purpose.


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