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SilverMark -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 4:44:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Don't you get it, those of us who become victims of another's actions do so because of others actions against them, whilst whoever or whatever meddles in things that don't concern us, we always become the victims of retaliation.

Basically, we reap what others sow, and whilst we are reaping it is interesting that the sowers are never the receivers, we are being used.

To follow your pasafistic thinking, we should not have retalliated against the Japanese for Pearl Harbor, the UK shouldn't have declared war on Germany?
Does the fact that OBL wasn't a head of state, but the head of an organization bent on the destruction of our country make that big of difference? We should just look the other way when our way of life is attacked, when our people die? Are you questioning the validity of the claims of our government that OBL, was indeed behind 9-11? We will indeed reap what we sow, and we will retaliate for actions taken against us that are indeed acts of war, no matter if it comes from a legitimate government or some cave dwelling, AK 47 seven shooting mad man. I need no more justification than watching the towers as they collapsed from a hotel in Chicago, to go from hearing the planes of O'Hare go silent for about 10 days, for our world to basically come to a stop as we recovered. Sorry Anerin, the bastard deserved what he got, and there was to be no other way. I need no moralistic arguments, I need no trial, he didn't desreve due process. He got what he deserved, nothing more and nothing less.
Your friendly neighborhood Ugly American, as RO says, a Psycho Lunatic(I like that coming from him, means I am pretty normal)
Mark



rulemylife -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 4:54:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Ok, of the targets hit on 9/11, what were they other than symbols of the US, the pentagon is the US military, the wtc is trade and commerce, the white house was a failed attack but you know what that represents, so the terrorists were attacking America, but my question is why, what provoked them to attack America via it's symbolism, for that is very clear.


Yeah, I'm sure all the families of the people that were killed and those still suffering the health effects from it will be relieved to know that they died and are dying because they were symbols of America.

An absolutely disgusting line of reasoning.

Whatever you may think of American commerce or the American military does not justify the taking of innocent lives.

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Edited to add, other symbolism included the aircraft being Boeings, American made and operated by American Airlines, the terrorists were using American products against America.


Uhhhh........okay.

You do realize that Boeing, being an American company, manufactures most aircraft used by airlines in this country?

While Airbus also has a decent market share, it is another ridiculous line of reasoning to assume the hijackers even knew what brand of airplane they would be flying on.

And by the way, two of the hijacked aircraft were operated by United Airlines.

But don't let me intrude reality on your theories.



Moonhead -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 4:58:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Whatever you may think of American commerce or the American military does not justify the taking of innocent lives.


Again: why do you not feel that your country's armed forces should be held to a higher standard than some bunch of half bearded halfwits who hate everybody who doesn't have a Koran stuffed up their arse?



thishereboi -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 4:59:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Do you see any parallels here, a bunch of combatants secretly enter another country to assassinate someone, tell me, where is that different from what terrorists do.

Btw, assassinate is a word of Arabic origin, from about the time of the crusades


You don't see the difference between going in and targeting one person who has actually done something wrong and planting a bomb in a pub and killing 50 innocent people?



Moonhead -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:02:28 AM)

That does raise the question of why absolutely nothing was done about Noraid until three or four years after America had suffered a terrorist attack targeted at civilians itself, of course. That's a whole other can of worms, really.



thishereboi -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:02:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Ok, of the targets hit on 9/11, what were they other than symbols of the US, the pentagon is the US military, the wtc is trade and commerce, the white house was a failed attack but you know what that represents, so the terrorists were attacking America, but my question is why, what provoked them to attack America via it's symbolism, for that is very clear.

Edited to add, other symbolism included the aircraft being Boeings, American made and operated by American Airlines, the terrorists were using American products against America.


What did they hit other than symbols? Well lets start with all the people who died. Do you feel people are symbols? If someone came along and blew up the palace, would you feel bad for the people that were killed? After all the palace is just a symbol, right?



rulemylife -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:04:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

As I pointed out the last time you came out with that one, that's a specious comparison. Why do you feel it's unreasonable for a country's uniformed military forces to be held to higher standards than a terrorist ringleader?


I don't, but all we have here is a lot of uninformed speculation.



angelikaJ -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:17:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

A dog is a four legged animal, OBL was a two legged human, dogs we might put down if they are a problem to humanity, but people deserve to be treated as people whatever their reported crime, remember in the west one is innocent until proved guilty and admission of crimes can be disproved. If we are to be so righteous in our condemnation of others, which includes interference in another county's politics or lands, we better make sure we have the right to be righteous by living up to what we hold as true. As anything other just makes us look like frauds and no doubt just adds to our critics and condemers view of us, and undoubtedly causes our own countrymen to question, as we are doing on these boards.

If there is at all a doubt or question in your mind about this episode, then somewhere in you something feels wrong, but on the other hand, as soon as you accept the killing of another without due process, you have no complaint when similar is done to you or yours.


And yet, this is what the Dalai Lama said:
As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, "Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened. … If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures."
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/04/local/la-me-0504-dalai-lama-20110504 

Anerin,
Why are you having such a difficult time with the concept that this was not revenge, but justice?



Moonhead -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:20:18 AM)

I'd imagine because if it was justice it should have been served through a court of law, rather than a squaddie shooting somebody?



domiguy -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:34:04 AM)

If they could have grabbed him they should have grabbed him.

I am not sorry he is dead in the least.

I believe that we are better than the other guys. I would like to think that if he stood up and lifted his hands in the air he might be alive today.

I don't care about the ramifications of a trial or the potential fallout of bringing on more terrorism upon us. We have to stop acting like pussies.

I, for one, am tired of Islamic extremists fucking up the world. it is time to hold them accountable and to hold the countries accountable that harbor these fucksticks.



Termyn8or -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:35:37 AM)

FR

So, ummm, Nazi war criminals must be hunted and brought alive to trial, but not certain others.

That's a given, no problem. Could someone now point out just where the line is drawn ? It certainly isn't number of deaths. It's certainly not immediate theat. What could it be ? Maybe it has something to do with public,,,,,,,,,,,,,ummm what's the word ? Opinion ?

So lynch mobs are alive and well. No problem there. It's just a question of if and when to turn them loose. When is that ?

T^T



angelikaJ -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:37:19 AM)

As a war tactic, there is no doubt in my mind that dead was a much safer option than him being captured.

I may not like the fact that he was shot unarmed, but as a war tactic?
I understand it.



rulemylife -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:52:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I'd imagine because if it was justice it should have been served through a court of law, rather than a squaddie shooting somebody?


And what is supposed to happen if that person resists?



rulemylife -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:54:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

So, ummm, Nazi war criminals must be hunted and brought alive to trial, but not certain others.

That's a given, no problem. Could someone now point out just where the line is drawn ? It certainly isn't number of deaths. It's certainly not immediate theat. What could it be ? Maybe it has something to do with public,,,,,,,,,,,,,ummm what's the word ? Opinion ?

So lynch mobs are alive and well. No problem there. It's just a question of if and when to turn them loose. When is that ?

T^T


The line is drawn when a murderer admits to and then gloats about his crimes.



domiguy -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:55:30 AM)

It's not a war tactic. We don't kill unarmed combatants or criminals. It's not what we are supposed to do.

I understand it, but it doesn't make it right.



ArizonaBossMan -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:56:32 AM)

In between naps, the Vice Dear Leader #$%$ osama bin laden! I heard it on MSNBC.



domiguy -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 5:57:49 AM)

what is that supposed to mean?



SilverMark -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 6:04:30 AM)

Sorry domi, I am not fluent in idiocy or I would translate for you.



DomYngBlk -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 7:41:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

A dog is a four legged animal, OBL was a two legged human, dogs we might put down if they are a problem to humanity, but people deserve to be treated as people whatever their reported crime, remember in the west one is innocent until proved guilty and admission of crimes can be disproved. If we are to be so righteous in our condemnation of others, which includes interference in another county's politics or lands, we better make sure we have the right to be righteous by living up to what we hold as true. As anything other just makes us look like frauds and no doubt just adds to our critics and condemers view of us, and undoubtedly causes our own countrymen to question, as we are doing on these boards.

If there is at all a doubt or question in your mind about this episode, then somewhere in you something feels wrong, but on the other hand, as soon as you accept the killing of another without due process, you have no complaint when similar is done to you or yours.


Not sure what you are going on about. He was threatening when they got in the room. They had a finite amount of time. They had to make a decision. And they did. I am fine with it.

Say your kid was killed. You and others have been looking for the killer but till now it has alluded you. All of the sudden you get information that a trusted friend that you have given copious amounts of money and protection to has the killer hidden away. Now, do you wait and not go get the killer and still talk to that friend? Or do you decide that friend is pretty untrustworthy and you better go ahead into his house and get the killer yourself.......



Real0ne -> RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? (5/10/2011 7:53:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Do you see any parallels here, a bunch of combatants secretly enter another country to assassinate someone, tell me, where is that different from what terrorists do.

Btw, assassinate is a word of Arabic origin, from about the time of the crusades


You don't see the difference between going in and targeting one person who has actually done something wrong and planting a bomb in a pub and killing 50 innocent people?



yes its SOP for governments to plant bombs in pubs once they start passing patriot acts and related shit like that.



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