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pahunkboy -> FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 5:09:20 AM)

FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS




SilverMark -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 5:15:38 AM)

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you pa!...




pahunkboy -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 5:18:14 AM)

I dont have to hold my breath- a gold standard was policy in the US for 180 years.  (per the link)




SilverMark -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 5:21:10 AM)

Operative word being WAS




Moonhead -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 5:21:36 AM)

They abandoned that one a while back, though. I'm surprised you didn't know that, given your survivalist-style obsession with stockpiling valuable metals...




Kana -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 5:25:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS


Yeah, right.
Because it's always best to limit your economy to a finite resource...




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 5:25:53 AM)

I think it's a great idea, but like previous posters, I'm not holding my breath. It makes too much sense.




Termyn8or -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 5:30:51 AM)

Stupidity must be contagious. Remember mathematics ? Find me one person competent in math that would even consider the possibility that this is feasible. It is not and I can barely do a long hand square root.

But now that Forbes has said it it is gospel ? Ummm, what were they saying ten years ago ? Oh yeah, they were helping the bankers rape the country weren't they ?

Here is what I am saying. As the debt grows it gets worse and worse. The disparity between true wealth and the debt expands, making it more impossible to pay. What these suits, you and most of the "experts" don't seem to fucking realize is that if the value of the USD drops 90% from it's current level, it doesn't matter because no financial entity (read governments as well) would be stupid enough to invest in them, at least before the real crash.

It is the same thing as a default. Let me try to draw an analogy here. You give me gift certificates that I will hold for you and pay interest on them. Later they all expire and are worthless. However you gave me X amount of them and I give back that amount after the term with the proscribed interest included. However they have all expired.

You going to do that again ?

OK, you like silver because they dilute money by printing it all day long. That is what makes it attractive as an investment, or actually it could be termed a hedge. Now what would happen if they found a motherlode of silver somewhere. Easy to mine, millions of tons of it available. What now ? Well if you have half a brain, you know you only have so much time to get your ass(ets) out of that commodity.

You can think of USDs any which way you like, but in those high fallouting international investment circles they are nothing but a commodity. In fact China should've dumped USDs a while back but one thing held them back. Their own economy depends on the USD to a significant extent. One day, soon, when consumerism can no longer be sustained, this factor will change and another crash will come.

Crash crash crash, see that's how to make money. Get this through your head, sure you can earn money, a very small amount. But to make alot of money the market value of something must change. You make intelligent trades and thus profit from the change in the relative "values" with little or no work on your part. When you make even a penny with no effort, all it takes to get filthy rich is to do it constantly. This is possible because of the miniscule investment of time and other resources on your part.

Actually they could return to the gold standard right now without a problem, just fix it's value at something real, I'd say somewhere in the ballpark of $60,000 per ounce. And you know what ? The result will be exaclty the same, only the timeline will change slightly. There is really not much difference between defaulting and devaluing.

T^T




pahunkboy -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 6:23:29 AM)

Actually they could return to the gold standard right now without a problem, just fix it's value at something real, I'd say somewhere in the ballpark of $60,000 per ounce. And you know what ? The result will be exaclty the same, only the timeline will change slightly. There is really not much difference between defaulting and devaluing./snip


60k would be close to the value bases on how many dollars now exist.      and you are correct on default/devalue.




mnottertail -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 6:33:55 AM)

I suppose we could do that, but there are several other countries in the world that we necessarily have to inhabit the same planet with, that would not be pegging gold to what would be good for us only.




Musicmystery -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:10:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I think it's a great idea, but like previous posters, I'm not holding my breath. It makes too much sense.

It does not make sense--it's merely simple, and people like simple, even when it ignores reality.

In this case, it does so dangerously. Currency's value is not created by artifice, but by the productivity, reliability (i.e., the nation meets its debt service), and earning power (ability to raise money through resources and revenue), and of course confidence (determined largely by productivity, reliability, and earning power, however). It fluctuates, officially "pegged" or not. Gold too fluctuates, subject to supply and demand, like any other commodity.

In the modern world, trading currency (and commodities) is a simple and quick transaction. Speculators can look for arbitrage possibilities as the real difference in value between gold and a pegged currency differ from the official valuation. Such opportunities then can be amplified greatly, forcing a devaluation, to the benefit of the speculators and at the expense of the taxpayers and people's savings (in that currency). This has been done before. Twice speculators forced the Bank of England to its knees. They were turning their attention to U.S. currency. When Nixon severed our Bretton Woods connection, the dollar was allowed to find its true market value. This is of far more value to everyone, and to secure knowledge of its worth, than the fiction of security and value a pegged currency creates.

Today, like most other nations, we practice a "managed float," meaning we watch the value of the dollar in the marketplace, taking steps at times to maintain a desired value. It actually works quite well. We have both low inflation (overall--food and oil prices have risen considerably, I understand--that's not inflation, per definition) and good relative value.

In the 2000s, we severely upped our expenditures with two unfunded wars (in fact, we cut taxes). The dollar's value dropped--as it should, vs. pretending nothing had changed. We did increase our debt. But we didn't have to pay off speculators. Today the dollar has remained relatively stable for the past few years. Pegging it to gold would be foolish.




pahunkboy -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:34:24 AM)

^ so continue the fraud?    That ought to boost the dollar-  which is not as good as gold because it takes $1500 of them now to be "as good as gold".

But hey-  if I can pay my bills with worthless coupons fine.  More gold for me.




Musicmystery -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:36:35 AM)

Exactly the opposite. Continue the real market value, not the fiction of an arbitrary peg.

Incidentally, it works so well that some countries peg their currency to the U.S. dollar.




mnottertail -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:37:43 AM)

No fraud is being perpetrated against you, simultaneously no fraud is being perpetrated on your behalf.

The fact that you go out of your way to misundertand nearly everything around you is a fraud perpetrated on yourself, by yourself. 




pahunkboy -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:42:44 AM)

A few computer entries can not make my stack of silver weight now- or make a loaf of bread bigger. 




mnottertail -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:44:27 AM)

nor will your stack of silver make a computer calculate, nor make a loaf of bread bigger.

What the fuck does your constant non sequiturs have to do with anything embracing reality?




pahunkboy -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:47:58 AM)

Consider that the federal reserve has created trillions $.

How is that for reality?




Jeffff -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:49:43 AM)

What's your silver worth today?

What will you do when the price drops to what you paid for it, or below that?




Musicmystery -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:50:59 AM)

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few computer entries can not make my stack of silver weight now

Not at all the point. But you're wrong--they will weigh the same, but if large investors were interested in silver, a few computer entries could dramatically change that silver's value. It's been $48/oz, it's been $3.81/oz.

The current market is artificially high.

http://www.silver-coin-investor.com/silver-price-history.html




mnottertail -> RE: FORBES: RETURN TO GOLD STANDARD WITHIN 5 YEARS (5/11/2011 7:58:07 AM)

It is a very good reality. 




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