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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 10:12:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to wonder Hlen, if the boy were asked which parent he wanted to be with. If he was ignored  or somehow the dad had the right connections?
I cant even begin to second guess this one, there just isnt enough information.  well I could but Id go for worse case scenario
I have to say, that in turn for his hate, I wonder if he knew what his pride and joy was about to do to him but thats just morbid curiosity and hope he was shit scared. Im a sick bitch yeah I know
Maybe there was some karma involved,
Im worried about the child and the siblings, the hate twisting him up so far in his young life. I hope they get the help they need, and hope its not to late for him.

Regarding guns, I dont like them, and having grown up in the UK and living in Canada, its not something Ive felt a need or desire to have one.
Completely different culture issues. Iused to be rabid about them,over the years I have mellowed (believe it or not). But I seriously thinkyou need a far longer wait period, with more indepth searching and mental evaluations every year, however, that would be my world.
Im not trying to take anyones guns away, Just stop the morons(and their children) from getting them. Way too many unstable people have access to weapons.




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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 10:18:11 AM   
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That's a good thought and I hope you are right, but he has been living with hate for 10 years. That has to screw a kid up.



To be honest, when I think of the possibilities compared to probability, I start feeling sick to my stomach. I know, from experience, living in a ‘good’ home can screw a kid up… could be why I feel such a need to be optimistic about this.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 10:22:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're right, we don't have near enough information to make a good judgement on what happened.

I have no problem with RESPONSIBLE people owning guns (me being one of them). I also agree that not enough is done to keep them out of the hands of people who should not have them.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 10:26:08 AM   
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People like him deserve to be killed.


Not to pick on you; is one kind of hate better than another?

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 10:31:53 AM   
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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 10:46:20 AM   
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My first thought was how bad was Mom that Dad got the kids, too. But then I thought of a girlfriend of mine who lost custody to her scumbag ex-husband because she couldn't afford the better lawyer.


Add to the list… financial stability (maybe mom had been a stay at home mom prior to); concerns over uprooting; sexist and or ditzy GAL… off the top of my head.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 10:48:29 AM   
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An excellent question!!


*smiles* Thank you.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 11:02:47 AM   
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Im not trying to take anyones guns away, Just stop the morons(and their children) from getting them. Way too many unstable people have access to weapons.


Gun Safety for Kids and Youth

What are the statistics about young people and firearm deaths and injuries?

...preschoolers aged 0-4 were 17 times more likely to die from a gun accident in the 4 states with the most guns versus the 4 states with the least guns. Likewise, school kids aged 5-14 were over 13 times more at risk of accidental firearm death in the states with high gun ownership rates. The findings indicate that gun availability is associated with accidental death by shooting

Statistics, Gun Control Issues, and Safety

The table below indicates mode of death for firearms injuries in the ten countries with the most reported deaths from firearms for children less than 15 years of age. (CDC, 1997)



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Was unable to find any stats for 2010.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 11:11:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only problem with that graph is that it IGNORES the countries with a higher incidence of gun violence than the United States. Typical anti gun tactics.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 11:13:21 AM   
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The only problem with that graph is that it IGNORES the countries with a higher incidence of gun violence than the United States. Typical anti gun tactics.


I should have included the caption:

The table below indicates mode of death for firearms injuries in the ten countries with the most reported deaths from firearms for children less than 15 years of age. (CDC, 1997)

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 11:50:18 AM   
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thanks Kali
I got this from the first link
According to the CDC, the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. American children are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die in a firearm accident than children in these other countries.





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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 12:43:01 PM   
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Among juveniles (for example, minors under the age of 16, 17, or 18, depending on legal jurisdiction) serving in correctional facilities, 86% owned a gun at some point, with 66% acquiring their first gun by age 14.[2] There is also a tendency for juvenile offenders to own many firearms, with 65% owning three or more.[2] Juveniles most often acquire guns from family, friends, drug dealers, and street contacts.[2] Inner-city youths cite "self-protection from enemies" as the top reason for carrying a gun.[2] In Rochester, New York, 22% of young males have carried a firearm illegally, though most for only a short period of time.[82] There is little overlap between legal gun ownership and illegal gun carrying among youths.[82]

Access to firearms


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The variety of weapons on offer in Britain is extensive and includes machine guns and shotguns, as well as pistols and converted replicas. A source close to the trade in illegal weapons contacted by the Guardian listed a menu of firearms that are available on the streets of the capital.

"You can get a clean [unused] 9mm automatic for £1,500, a Glock for a couple of grand and you can even make an order for a couple of MAC-10s," he said. "Or you can get a little sawn-off for £150. They're easy enough to get hold of. You'll find one in any poverty area, every estate in London, and it's even easier in Manchester, where there are areas where the police don't go.

"People who use shotguns tend to be lower down the pecking order. There is less use of sawn-off or full length shotguns, and if a criminal wants street cred, he wants a self-loading pistol, a MAC-10 or an Uzi submachine gun."

Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you


It would seem that illegally obtained weapons are a growing problem in other countries as well, INCLUDING THE UK.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 7:12:37 PM   
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Click "portfolio" and then the "White Nationalism" link at top left. There are haunting photos of these types of families. Truly disturbing but beautifully photographed. Pictures #16, 17 and 21 are the most striking ones to me. The story this thread is about is a sad, sad story...........luci

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 7:47:43 PM   
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What I'd like to know though, is just how fucked up the ex-wife must have been, for this guy to win the custody fight.


Poor kid didn't have a chance, did he?

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/12/2011 8:38:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		That nearly brought me to tears. This situation is horribly sad, because of the uhms.
I hope that I never behave that inhumane toward anyone, but I mostly pray, that my debt is never payed by my uhm. M

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/13/2011 12:27:33 PM   
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A sad story......a little boy's life ruined.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11nazi.html?pagewanted=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23



I haven't read the story, as I imagine I have read something similar somewhere along the line.

I'll have a crack at the title instead:

We reap what we sow

An idea steeped in religious doctrine.

In practice, though, not everyone gets what they deserve; after all, 'deserve' is subjective.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/13/2011 12:40:09 PM   
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I haven't read the story, as I imagine I have read something similar somewhere along the line.

I'll have a crack at the title instead:

We reap what we sow

An idea steeped in religious doctrine.

In practice, though, not everyone gets what they deserve; after all, 'deserve' is subjective.


Although no one who knows me could ever accuse me of being a Christian or of believing in the (vindictive, sadistic) invisable sky daddy protrayed in the Bible... that doesn't mean the Bible doesn't have some good advise in it and I consider that saying to be one of them. There are natural consequences that flow from our decisions and actions. Pig out on fatty foods for years... have a heart attack, spend your life being lazy... and have no retierment fund, raise your kid to be a viscious nazi bastard who believes that violence is the answer to his problems...



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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/13/2011 12:50:04 PM   
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I haven't read the story, as I imagine I have read something similar somewhere along the line.

I'll have a crack at the title instead:

We reap what we sow

An idea steeped in religious doctrine.

In practice, though, not everyone gets what they deserve; after all, 'deserve' is subjective.


Although no one who knows me could ever accuse me of being a Christian or of believing in the (vindictive, sadistic) invisable sky daddy protrayed in the Bible... that doesn't mean the Bible doesn't have some good advise in it and I consider that saying to be one of them. There are natural consequences that flow from our decisions and actions. Pig out on fatty foods for years... have a heart attack, spend your life being lazy... and have no retierment fund, raise your kid to be a viscious nazi bastard who believes that violence is the answer to his problems...




Of course the bible heralds sound advice here and there.

But, everyone gets what they deserves? You only have to think of a tsunami to dispell that idea.

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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/13/2011 1:12:13 PM   
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Of course the bible heralds sound advice here and there.

But, everyone gets what they deserves? You only have to think of a tsunami to dispell that idea.


I haven't made myself clear enough: I don't see it as saying that everyone gets what they deserve... I see it as saying our choices have consequences. The consequences may not always be readily apparent, they may not show up right away, but sooner or later... well... you will reap what you sow.



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RE: We reap what we sow... - 5/13/2011 2:32:49 PM   
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I see it as saying our choices have consequences.



Of course choices have consequences. But then there are a series of variabilities in how those consequences may play out, some of which you have no control over, and such variabilities take no account of what you and I think we deserve.

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