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How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 10:05:39 AM

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/16-Ways-to-Make-Yourself-usnews-1775790598.html?x=0

Here's another idea that might work for some who have computer jobs.

Refuse to train someone else to do your job. I met a computer guy who works in the office of a major aircraft manufacturing plant. He is the ONLY employee at the company who can do what he does. Maybe he has passwords nobody can figure out? Anyway, he is paid by the hour plus overtime and works overtime every week. They have to work him overtime since nobody else can do his job. Several times, he has been asked to train others how to do his job and every time they ask, he refuses. He won't train anyone until he retires. He told me they can't lay him off or fire him and he intends to keep it that way. He makes a ton of money and has more job security than many of the bosses at the company. The only way he gets the ax is if the company closes. So if you have a computer job that nobody else knows how to do and you're asked to train someone, my advice: refuse

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 10:17:13 AM

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lol.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 1:39:57 PM

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Hmmmm. I have some serious online resources I use for work. After some assholishness I refused to share. Believe me they could benefit GREATLY from these resources.

So basically I made a decision that boils down to "screw them" let them find it themselves, and it turned out to be a good carreer move ?

I can live with that.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 1:49:40 PM

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Here's another idea that might work for some who have computer jobs.

Refuse to train someone else to do your job. I met a computer guy who works in the office of a major aircraft manufacturing plant. He is the ONLY employee at the company who can do what he does. Maybe he has passwords nobody can figure out? Anyway, he is paid by the hour plus overtime and works overtime every week. They have to work him overtime since nobody else can do his job. Several times, he has been asked to train others how to do his job and every time they ask, he refuses. He won't train anyone until he retires. He told me they can't lay him off or fire him and he intends to keep it that way. He makes a ton of money and has more job security than many of the bosses at the company. The only way he gets the ax is if the company closes. So if you have a computer job that nobody else knows how to do and you're asked to train someone, my advice: refuse

You were had.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 1:53:12 PM

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I TRIED to train a couple of new analysts before I left My old job years ago. I spent a year doing it and they just couldn't grasp it. It was a shame. 13 months after I left, the company failed all their federal proficiency tests (we hadn't even registered a deficiency in 6 years previously) and they had to close the lab and sell the equipment.

I grinned when I heard the news because the sleazebags running the place had been trying to screw with me for some time and I hadn't had a raise in 3 years. (that's the main reason I left.)

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 2:01:36 PM

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I see. Trying to train is OK, it's the succeeding that is the problem. You are wise.

It's marvelous that the old company went out of business. Hopefully now you work for a direct competitor. You have gloating rights in that case.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 2:30:33 PM

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If I told you to train someone and you refused, I can promise you that you would lose your job. Honestly, how in the world do you even think that is a good idea?

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 2:39:26 PM

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I TRIED to train a couple of new analysts before I left My old job years ago. I spent a year doing it and they just couldn't grasp it. It was a shame. 13 months after I left, the company failed all their federal proficiency tests (we hadn't even registered a deficiency in 6 years previously) and they had to close the lab and sell the equipment.

I grinned when I heard the news because the sleazebags running the place had been trying to screw with me for some time and I hadn't had a raise in 3 years. (that's the main reason I left.)

with this depression I know a lot of people who are being treated the same way and doing the same thing

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 3:54:24 PM

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If I told you to train someone and you refused, I can promise you that you would lose your job. Honestly, how in the world do you even think that is a good idea?

No crap.

It would be worth to bring ab analyst to either retrieve the codes or work around them to get in.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 4:00:44 PM

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If I told you to train someone and you refused, I can promise you that you would lose your job. Honestly, how in the world do you even think that is a good idea?

Exactly.

If someone wants to work as an independent contractor, hired only when I need them, fine.

But as an employee? That's part of what I'm paying you to do.

[That's why most job descriptions end with "...and other duties as assigned."]

In the meantime, I'll just hire someone else to do the training instead of you.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 5:23:25 PM

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If I told you to train someone and you refused, I can promise you that you would lose your job. Honestly, how in the world do you even think that is a good idea?

It seemed to work for him. He owns a beautiful home fully paid for in a wealthy neighborhood and makes a lot of money. Being the only one who knows how to perform his particular job does have its disadvantages though. He said he works 7 days a week and only gets 2 days off a month.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 5:33:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I TRIED to train a couple of new analysts before I left My old job years ago. I spent a year doing it and they just couldn't grasp it. It was a shame. 13 months after I left, the company failed all their federal proficiency tests (we hadn't even registered a deficiency in 6 years previously) and they had to close the lab and sell the equipment.

I grinned when I heard the news because the sleazebags running the place had been trying to screw with me for some time and I hadn't had a raise in 3 years. (that's the main reason I left.)

That reminds me on a story from a friend of my parents. He works in a printing company from a huge publisher from several magazines in Germany and they sacked all their staff and replaced them with cheaper staff from poland or russia...well...it did not last long until they knocked on his door again as quite frankly you rarely can exchange staff just like that, cause he knew what to do when those maschines didn't do their job properly and what to do when whatever other errors occur during the night shifts when those maschines were running, which of course the newly installed cheaper staff can't catch up with in such a short period of time... as theory is one thing, experience quite another.

So soon later he was invited back in to work again but sadly had to swallow a little bit a slower salary (during that time Germany had 5 million people unemployed so he had to accept a lower salary as that was still way better than being unemployed).

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 5:35:17 PM

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In the meantime, I'll just hire someone else to do the training instead of you.

Nobody else can do the training because he is the only one who knows how to do the job. Nobody can figure it out. I don't know how he managed it but somehow he did. And I don't blame him. The company he works for is union, but they're known for laying a lot of workers off. Also, think of all the IT workers in the US that lost their jobs. In many cases, when asked to train others, they were unknowingly training their replacements. Then their replacements trained others overseas.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 5:44:05 PM

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Sorta FR

Oh, train baby train. Just don't succeed.

And really, besides myself I know a few people who could and probably would just say "I am not a teacher".

It boils down to this - if you want to win you must be willing to lose. And it's not just training. I've been known to say more than once "If you want that, go to the fucking Wendy's across the street and get someone who will". Fired, my ass. A week later I demanded a raise, and got it. Fuck them, they want ALL the money. It ain't happenin'.

Now I notice some ads on craigslist telling craftsmen not to sell themselves short. I see why. It's getting bad and the goniffs are out to make every fucking dime they can off the bad economy. There are ads for jobs, experienced plumber, electrician, cement/mason, carpenter among other things (all required from one). Then you must pass a background check and a drug screen. Your reward ? Fifteen bucks an hour. They also have an ad in there for a flight captain, responsible for all phases of piloting and maintaining or directing the maintenance of the aircraft. The reward ? Fifteen bucks an hour. They actually upped that one from ten to twelve, and then the epitome ! Fifteen whole useless dollars that ain't worth a dime, each and every hour, almost, kinda. And though illegal according to the NLRB, in your employee contract it could state that if you're five minutes late you can be docked for a half an hour. If you decide screw it and take that half an hour you are docked for an hour. Your hourly rate can be decreased at their discretion also, ain't that just great ? And then the no competition clauses. Yes the right of contract is not impinged. Happy ?

Fuck all that. I'll work for them on MY terms. If I lose, I lose.

And I mean it all. I will not drive for a living, at all. I am not likely to be operating heavy machinery, so they have drug testing - " What do you need tested ? ". We maintain a drug free workplace - " I'll never bring them in ". Fuck them and the camels they rode in on.

But no matter what, for this to work for anyone they must posess some serious skills. Without that, the odds suck.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 5:48:33 PM

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Brilliant. When he has a heart attack, gets in a car accident, etc, the company will go belly up and everyone else will lose their jobs.
No worries for him though, since making tons of money is more important than giving a crap about anyone else.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 5:55:08 PM

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"Brilliant. When he has a heart attack, gets in a car accident, etc, the company will go belly up and everyone else will lose their jobs.
No worries for him though, since making tons of money is more important than giving a crap about anyone else."

Welcome to the world of business. That is how it is because nobody else cares about you. Sorry to shatter any utpoian illusions here.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 6:07:18 PM

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Welcome to the world of business. That is how it is because nobody else cares about you. Sorry to shatter any utpoian illusions here.

No illusions, I'm simply not willing to risk fucking up the lives of a large number of innocent people in order to get rich. As for no one else caring about me, you are quite wrong there.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 6:12:38 PM

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Brilliant. When he has a heart attack, gets in a car accident, etc, the company will go belly up and everyone else will lose their jobs.
No worries for him though, since making tons of money is more important than giving a crap about anyone else.

Good point. It does seem farfetched. There must be at least one other person who knows most of it. My guess is, if there is that person also refuses to train anyone else. Regardless, in certain jobs I can see how refusing to train others would make the job more secure.

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 6:13:36 PM

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At work ?

Don't take umbrage at my skepticism please, but instead ask yourself a question. Would you willingly give your main source of income away and starve to death for the benefit of someone else, at work ?

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RE: How to make your job as secure as possible. - 5/11/2011 6:20:58 PM

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I gave my company 4 MONTHS notice that I was leaving and they've finally just hired someone, with whom I will have a week to train O_o

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