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lovmuffin -> RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner (5/20/2011 11:42:20 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Focus50
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I didn't miss your earlier post but I think you missed *my* point. The point was to clarify your incorrect use of the term assault weapon/rifle or assault whatever. By definition and by design, an assault rifle is capable of fully automatic fire. The weapon in question is not an assault rifle.
I guess this is you determined to be difficult and contrary. How many different ways do I have to say that the (formerly) fully automatic Chinese military weapon in question was modified to fire only semi-auto in order for it to be accpeted for sale here? There, but for a modified catch, it's the same freakin' gun...!
I would doubt that it's the same gun but since I don't live in your country, without some research I can't speak with any authority on that so you could be correct for all I know. Though I can tell you this. The Chinese AK 47 type rifles imported into the US were manufactured *as* semi autos with 2 manufacturer names, Norinco or Polytec (spell check on that). To make a reliable conversion to a select fire weapon would require some drilling into the receiver and the installation of 4 or 5 parts. I'm not going to get into all of the details without doing a bit of research but if you don't have the jig for it or the exact specifications and particularly if you don't know what your doing then you will likely mess up your perfectly good rifle. There is a way some guys try to turn AK"s into *full auto only* (no option for semi auto) guns with a piece of wire or a paper clip or something tying the connector down so it won't catch the bolt carrier but this is highly unreliable, highly illegal and most likely to jam up the rifle. Since the importation of Chinese firearms were disallowed based on a trade deal during the Clinton administration there are now AK type rifles, once again manufactured as semi autos only, that come from former communist block nations such as Romania Bulgaria and Yugoslavia imported into the US. I believe there are others but most of what I see are Yugoslavian. I am aware though of some AK 47's, from Bulgaria I think, that were manufactured as you described, conversions from full auto select fire to semi auto, with the safely-selector switches still on the rifles (much easier to convert or convert back to full auto with select fire). This is a rummer though but seems to have some validity, I can't be sure. The other part of the rummer is that the ATF had tried or is trying to track them down.
Also I might add that after the Clinton assault weapon gun ban (I won't get into all the details) manufactures and importers came up with a way to circumvent the ban and thus continue the flow of, not just military type, but military semi auto rifles. [follow me on this] One of the stupid things with this gun ban was the fact that the guns they wanted to ban are common semi autos. They were trying not to piss everyone off (*all* gun owners that is) and didn't want to place restrictions on the semi autos that were not of military type or military look-a -likes and more commonly owned by hunters. What they banned were accessories common to military weapons and cosmetic things. Any guns existing or imported before the ban were grandfathered in (still legal to sell) and all other future military type guns had to be manufactured here in the US but with restrictions pertaining to accessories and cosmetics. So what happened is importers started bringing in parts sets form surplus military rifles such as FN-FAL's AK-47's Uzi's and HK's among others. The parts kits were gleaned by cutting through the front of receivers to get the barrel off and then removing the butt stocks and all other parts. The receivers (the main body/part and considered the actual gun) for these weapons were then manufactured and sold here in the US for those who wanted to, or obtained the parts kits to assemble them back to their original specifications minus the option to select full auto fire. These kits are off of genuine military contract surplus guns from various countries. The complete weapon had to contain at least 7 US manufactured parts and in particular a US maufactured receiver as was in the wording of the legislation. The funny thing about this is that these guns are far easier to convert to full auto because some of the required things to do so are already done. The FN-FAL for example when resembled has 2 of 4 things on it required for full auto conversion, a raised area on the bolt carrier which otherwise would require welding and the safety selector switch on it that would otherwise have to be obtained or fabricated then replaced. The further requirements would be obtaining or fabricating a disconnecter and a cut into the block of the receiver to accept it when the switch is on safe or semi auto. Now because these dorks who tried to ban guns but didn't know a whole hell of a lot about what they were doing or talking about we have a crap load of semi auto rifles that are not common semi autos, but genuine military hardware minus of course the select fire option. The other funny thing about it was that the finished products were way less expensive than what they would have been otherwise if they were manufactured elsewhere and imported. I don't know what happens over there in your country but when politicians and the media start talking about gun bans, we here in the US go on a military type gun buying frenzy for fear of the supply drying up. It hasn't happened yet as the assault weapon ban sunseted (no longer in effect) and there are so freakin many military type firearms in the hands of the American people that you couldn't even begin to estimate how many or who has them thus insuring a decent future market and supply should a real ban ever occur. I would be curious to know what if any gun buying frenzy you may have had over there prior to your gun bans taking effect.
We are pretty well stocked up on ammo too. When our anti gun president Obama was elected we went on an ammo buying frenzy for fear of whatever type of restrictions that might be imposed as a result of this guy. Thats pretty much over now after about 2 years but at the time ammo prices went through the roof and some of it was by and large unavailable. The prices are all back down close to their former level and mostly available.
So in conclusion, here in the US for the most part it's not the same freakin gun !!!!! And you're correct, I'm determined to be difficult and contrary.
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