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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 3:48:38 PM

Focus50

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   WTF does a citizen need with a machine gun ? I don't know. The reasons I'm sure would vary from one individual to the next. Whats your problem with a citizen owning a machine gun ? Most would be a want rather than need. I'll refer you again to the 2nd amendment, post 226, paragraph 3.

   Where we draw the line is small arms. No one is asking for tanks artillery or nuclear weapons.

   Yes I grasp the point your making though you won't just come out and flatly state it. You think semi autos and whatever you consider heavy should be outlawed and all turned in to be melted down into scrap metal. It's not going to happen. Once again I'm wrapping myself in the flag and crying 2nd amendment. Reread post 226, 3rd paragraph.

You're so good at quoting past posts, do show me where I said or implied I was in favour of banning semi-autos or high powered guns in general. I mean, here's you grasping my point, apparently.... It was our government that banned semi-autos after Port Arthur and I hinted (to you) that I might still possess one.

And citizens with machine guns.... Super!

I'm done with you. Go hug Kirata; you both seem to need the support.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:06:16 PM

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I agree, which is why there's probably a gun shop in every other shopping mall in the US. Gun availability is one of the consequences of the right to bear arms. Available to *criminals*, too! <sheesh>

This right here renders your entire argument invalid and useless. You clearly have no clue about guns in America and only go by what you see on TV. Truth is, guns are more regulated than you think. No, there aren't "gun shops in every other shopping mall." In fact, I've been to every mall in this metroplex and there are no gun stores in any of them.

In fact, in this metroplex, I can literally count THREE.....count them THREE gun stores that I am aware of, each of which is separated not by blocks, but my at least 20 miles or so. One's in Garland, one's in Plano and one's in Addison. True, there might be others I'm not aware of in areas I don't regularly travel, but in the areas I *do* travel, those three are it.

The fact is, you know absolutely nothing about guns in America. Furthermore, the access to guns in those guns stores are limited, as best they can be, to law-abiding citizens. If those stores vanished overnight, and if the government troops came and took law-abiding citizens' guns away overnight, the criminals would *still* have or be able to attain them.

As I said before, guns and their ownership pre-dated the 2nd Amendment. So they were already there. Removing the Amendment would not remove the guns. The criminals will still find away. Even if they did not, and they became the knife-wielding, ax handle-carrying criminals you have, we'd STILL need a way to defend ourselves from them. I don't know about you, but I'm not stupid enough to take on 3 armed intruders bare-handed. I may be fascinated with martial arts, but that doesn't make me Bruce Lee.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:13:46 PM

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Actually heavy as in machine gun does not usually refer to caliber

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:17:26 PM

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Didn't show half of last post heavy machine guns are water cooled light machine guns are air cooled.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:28:20 PM

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Edited to combine your posts...

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Actually heavy as in machine gun does not usually refer to caliber... heavy machine guns are water cooled light machine guns are air cooled.

Apparently that was true in the past (which I didn't know), but not today, or at least not in my experience of the terminology, which I find supported by the Wiki entry on the topic.

The heavy machine gun or HMG is a larger class of machine gun generally recognized to refer to two separate stages of machine gun development. The term was originally used to refer to the early generation of machine guns which came into widespread use in World War I. These fired the standard (~.30 or 7.62mm) rifle cartridge but featured heavy construction, elaborate mountings, and water cooling mechanisms that enabled heavy and sustained defensive fire with excellent accuracy, but with the cost of being too cumbersome to move quickly....

The more modern definition refers to a class of large-caliber (generally ~.50 or 12.7mm) machine guns pioneered by John Moses Browning with the M2 machine gun and designed to provide an increased degree of range, penetration and destructive power against vehicles, buildings, aircraft and light fortifications over the standard rifle calibers used in medium or general purpose machine guns. In this sense, the "heavy" aspect of the weapon refers to its superior power and range over light and medium caliber weapons.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:29:39 PM

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WTF does a citizen need with a machine gun ? I don't know. The reasons I'm sure would vary from one individual to the next. Whats your problem with a citizen owning a machine gun ? Most would be a want rather than need. I'll refer you again to the 2nd amendment, post 226, paragraph 3.

Where we draw the line is small arms. No one is asking for tanks artillery or nuclear weapons.

Yes I grasp the point your making though you won't just come out and flatly state it. You think semi autos and whatever you consider heavy should be outlawed and all turned in to be melted down into scrap metal. It's not going to happen. Once again I'm wrapping myself in the flag and crying 2nd amendment. Reread post 226, 3rd paragraph.

You're so good at quoting past posts, do show me where I said or implied I was in favour of banning semi-autos or high powered guns in general. I mean, here's you grasping my point, apparently.... It was our government that banned semi-autos after Port Arthur and I hinted (to you) that I might still possess one.

And citizens with machine guns.... Super!

I'm done with you. Go hug Kirata; you both seem to need the support.

Focus.

Yes, I got the hint that you are likely in violation of the gun laws in your country. Thats real bright with your picture and all. I hope they don't track you down and take your gun. You're so misunderstood Mr Genius. Why don't you just spell it out. Whats your point ???

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:33:35 PM

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Hmmmmm...........And I thought heavy machine gun referred to the weight of the gun and the fact that it had to be hauled around by 2 people.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:37:51 PM

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Hauled by 2 people that is one guy with the gun and the other with the mount and the ammo such as the Browning .50 cal.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:39:07 PM

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I thought heavy machine gun referred to the weight of the gun and the fact that it had to be hauled around by 2 people.

I wouldn't be surprised if they still do take two people...

But today, a 7.62mm wouldn't be considered a "heavy machine gun" no matter what it weighed.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/22/2011 4:45:51 PM

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I thought heavy machine gun referred to the weight of the gun and the fact that it had to be hauled around by 2 people.

I wouldn't be surprised if they still do take two people...

But today, a 7.62mm wouldn't be considered a "heavy machine gun" no matter what it weighed.

K.