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DaddyDomnCOLO -> submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/10/2004 12:31:14 PM)

OK, maybe I should put this in the Ask a Master section, but I wanted to hear from some submissives too. I have had the privilege of knowing both and while they both have their individual issues (especially when it comes to discipline) I must say that I do enjoy life more when involved with the submissive w/ brat tendencies. Maybe it is the challenge of molding and teaching someone that has a less docile personality in general. I also think that the brats seem to enjoy life and celebrate it more (this is offset by their ability to shrink up and try to hide from life the next moment). I would love to hear from some brats and subs concerning their own thoughts and issues. Of course any opinions from a fellow Dom/Domme would be greatly appreciated by all.



proudsub -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/10/2004 12:56:31 PM)

Here are some other threads on this:

mischievous subbies

bratty, brazen....



slavewoman -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/10/2004 1:05:58 PM)

I find it interesting that you equate being submissive with being docile. I am not a brat, but I am hardly docile. I don't get anything from, nor I feel a need to, resist for the sake of resisting or to act out 'just because'.

I know that there are those, like you, who enjoy the brattier subs. My Master is not one of them. He also is not someone who would enjoy a sub who was "docile". He chose me because I am strong and intelligent and choose to submit to his will. Were he writing this, I think he would tell you that there are plenty of challenges in my training without my being bratty.



cynnacent1 -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/10/2004 1:53:11 PM)

docile (adj.)
1. Ready and willing to be taught; teachable.
2. Yielding to supervision, direction, or management; tractable.

brat (n.)
1. A child, especially a spoiled or ill-mannered one.
2. A child of a career military person.

submissive (n.)
1. Inclined or willing to submit.

i am a submissive and while i am no where near to being descibed as a brat, i enjoy life to the fullest and actually LOOK for reasons to celebrate as often as possible. i am confident, financially independant, and am intelligent and witty as well. i am not even close to being accurately descibed as a push over, weak, a doormat or one to put up with disrespect or abuse.

Am i docile? Daymn straight i am ! (as far as the word is decribed above) i am always yielding to my Master's wishes. i am one with a very strong inclination and willingness to serve Him in any and every manner which He might decide is pleasing to Him. i follow His direction & management. Am i a brat? Heck NO. i do not see acting childish & spoiled or ill-mannered behavior as becoming to myself.

Very soon after having met, i was informed in simple & straight to the point terms that my Master does not enjoy such behavior and will not tolerate it. Sure as any could, i COULD act out like a brat if i chose to and i choose NOT to as i know such behaviors would be displeasing to Him. i am wise to the fact that my acting as a brat with my Master would not result in anything possitive for either of U/us.

i have been known to act out as quite the brat with family & friends, and co-workers and ENJOY doping so, however, i am wise to and respectful of the fact that my Master will not stand for any form or degree of brattiness in "O/our" D/s relationship. This does not mean He is overly strict, nor does it mean W/we do not enjoy a good time, or life in general. He simply just does not care for HIS submissive to act as a brat.



slavewoman -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/10/2004 4:07:03 PM)

Good point, cynnacent. If one looks at the definition, instead of reacting to the connotation of "docile" as it is often used today -which is what I did - then I would have to say that yes, I am docile.



temptation -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/10/2004 4:25:39 PM)

I hate the way the word "brat" is thrown about by everyone in the 'lifestyle' nowadays. It's getting to the point where if you have a mind of your own.. someone somewhere would consider you "bratty".



EStrict -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/10/2004 5:55:50 PM)

I have yet to meet a parent that *wanted* their child to be a brat. IMO *brats* are made, be it by over indulgent parents, or lazy dominants. Of course, that is to fit into my definition (the dictionary one) of a brat.

Being playful, occassional willful, obstinate, head strong, etc is *not* being a brat. It is part of being a *non* doormat human with thoughts, feelings, and the intelligence to express it.

In my entire time of meeting and speaking to people who are subbbbmissive, I never met one that was a *brat* by definition that ever managed a long term d/s relationship.



sub4hire -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/10/2004 8:31:59 PM)

quote:

I hate the way the word "brat" is thrown about by everyone in the 'lifestyle' nowadays. It's getting to the point where if you have a mind of your own.. someone somewhere would consider you "bratty".


That's when you just turn around and smack the person accusing you of it. Hehe.



ObsidianDoll -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/11/2004 9:26:20 AM)

I don't belive in being a brat. To me, that's topping from the bottom. And I'm hardly a top.


Doll



newflowers -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/16/2004 7:07:04 PM)

It seems to me that there are different connotations at work here.

Given the denotation of docile - then I am and am proud to be so as I note it is similar to the definition of submissive. I never understand the point of being forced to do something or of saying that you will obey and then do not. It seems like lying and dishonor to me. If i vow or agree to obey, if I accept the control of another over me. then why would I then not be cooperative? Yielding and allowing oneself to give to another so that you can be taught does not mean that one is not fun or playful or even has a mind of one's own with which to think and question.

I think that docile (yielding) does not meek or weak or lacking in strength, passion for life and opinions.

Of course, this is yet another example of how we say the same words and mean different things and how we each want the same thing...with a twist.

newflowers



IservBlkKingPaPa -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/18/2004 2:03:44 PM)

Papa's slave has heard that bratty subs are brats because they want the pyhsical punishment so will misbehave to get flogged or something to that affect. this slave is no Dom, not even close, but watching my Master over the last 8 years, this slave has learned that, if something is done on purpose to manipulate another, whether it be a Dom or a boss or a family member, it is just the opposite that should be done. This way they dont get thier way and eventually stop the bratty behavior. No different than punishing a child who needs to learn what works and what doesnt.


@}PaPa's}slave}--
Every Rose has her Thorns...



INSIDEYOURMIND -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/18/2004 2:38:37 PM)

I came across this thread today, I must say I am extremely proud of my sub's response here.
I strongly believe in D/s being a noble, and honorable lifestyle, being a brat, or intentionally misbehaving has no part in my sub's world. I still want her opinion, I love to see her smile, and absolutely love her ability to submit to me, even when I can clearly see she may have a another outlook on something.
A brat shows disdain for her master, and as someone said, it is topping from the bottom.



Laura -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/19/2004 7:27:26 AM)

I enjoy being a bratty sub when the mood hits me. I consider it one more fetish, not to everyone's taste or understanding. I don't think I could stay with someone who expected total seriousess and docility. I'm not sure why I like brattiness, impertinence, etc. Maybe it's a way to test him, see who really is in control now. It's not fighting or rebelling, more like teasing. Possibly it's mindfuck from the bottom. I haven't thought a lot about it.



INSIDEYOURMIND -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/19/2004 10:31:59 AM)

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Maybe it's a way to test him, see who really is in control now.


If you see a need to test him, then he has not made you understand who is in charge.
My sub is neither docile, or always serious, but she is respectful, and true in her submission.



Sinergy -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/19/2004 2:20:23 PM)

quote:

I hate the way the word "brat" is thrown about by everyone in the 'lifestyle' nowadays. It's getting to the point where if you have a mind of your own.. someone somewhere would consider you "bratty".


It seems to me...

Whether a submissive with a mind of her own is considered a brat depends on if she agrees with what the person calling her a brat thinks.

I once watched a submissive with an advanced education run circles around a Dominant with a high school education and no real education into the subject being discussed. I think he felt he was right because he had the blue name tag on.

The Dominant stormed out muttering "fucking bratty submissives" under his breath.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy



realophelia -> RE: submissives vs submissive w/brat personality (10/19/2004 6:17:48 PM)

quote:

Maybe it is the challenge of molding and teaching someone that has a less docile personality in general. I also think that the brats seem to enjoy life and celebrate it more (this is offset by their ability to shrink up and try to hide from life the next moment). I would love to hear from some brats and subs concerning their own thoughts and issues.


Interesting post. I think it's a inaccurate, however, to say that 'brats' seem to enjoy life more than other subs (or slaves). Somebody can be charming, cheerful, enthusiastic, high-spirited etc. and still be obedient.

As far as training goes, I think every Dom's different. My Master is very patient but he does have the expectation that I do my best. I like that about him.

Take care :)
Ophelia



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