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juliaoceania -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 3:17:22 PM)
quote: I don't see how that warranted calls of bullshit or being called stupid. Of course it doesn't justify calling another person stupid. I do not think there is any reason for that

gungadin09 -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 3:30:19 PM)
But what if they're stupid? pam

juliaoceania -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 3:32:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 But what if they're stupid? pam You say "that post is stupid", or "I think that is a stupid opinion". If you know the person personally you can say "That was a stupid move" or "I know you aren't that stupid[;)] It is best to separate the people from the action, opinion, words....

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 4:59:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP That they got into a relationship that was ill fitting because they didn't know themselves well enough or know what was out there well enough to pick a more compatible partner. I would have thought that was obvious. We get new posters here all the time saying just this about their relationships. That suddenly he's cheating on her, being verbally abusive etc and claiming she has no say because she's a slave. So, clearly in your view, just because someone identifies as a "slave", then they can be "cheated on" and "verbally abused" -- is that it?!! I don't know where you got that load of TOTAL BULLSHIT from, but that's exactly what it is... BULLSHIT -- I would have thought that was "obvious"?!! Where do people get this garbage from?!! [8\|] Clearly some people need to learn the difference between a Wanker and a Master... abuse has NOTHING -- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING -- to do with being a slave to another. (Hint: a self-indentified sub can be abused, a self-identified Dom can be abusive, and GASP... even a vanilla person can be abused/abusive.) JEEEEZ!!! [8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|] Is this chick always this stupid and reactionary? Are you so stupid you can't read?!! quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP We get new posters here all the time saying just this about their relationships. That suddenly he's cheating on her, being verbally abusive etc and claiming she has no say because she's a slave. So the person in this example is only being "cheated on" and "verbally abused" because they're a "slave", huh?!! As if this couldn't possibly happen if they were a sub, right?!! Exactly how dense are you?!! [8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|]

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 5:12:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida I don't think I've ever seen DES say slaves are cheated on and abused, simply because they're slaves. That's exactly what was stated... take special note of the underlined portion -- does it not specifically state "because she's a slave"?!! quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP That suddenly he's cheating on her, being verbally abusive etc and claiming she has no say because she's a slave. So then... what... if she was a "sub" instead of a "slave", then she'd have some "say" in if she's cheated on or verbally abused?!! The above comment is complete garbage.

NuevaVida -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 5:24:22 PM)
I think you're misunderstanding her point. No worries. It's not that huge a deal.

tazzygirl -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 6:09:47 PM)
quote: So, when I hear people talk about going to a deeper level with slavery, etc, how rare it is, etc... I suppose I think of my vanilla sister, and her comparing the rest of the world to her situation and how we all don't measure up. I need to release this to the universe and learn an important lesson.... recently I found out her marriage is in trouble, so perhaps all of these years her nonsense was really about her own insecurity, and her desperate need to believe what she was experiencing was so much more bitchen than what the rest of us had. When did I mention a deeper level of slavery? Hell, I can be submissive to many men.... I have discovered I cannot be slave to many men. That isn't them, it isn't me, its the relationship. How you twisted that into me denigrating anyone is beyond me.

juliaoceania -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 6:36:38 PM)
I did not say that you were denigrating, I said I am overly sensitive to language and I explained why I feel that way (my vanilla sister) When I read things like the following: quote: I firmly believe a woman can be submissive towards many men... and slave to a rare few. Its not always the men that make the slave, it takes both, a commitment to the relationship and the internal drive and discovery they both go on together. It tends to read "to me" as if submissive women just haven't met the right person, are perhaps not committed enough, and being in a relationship is rare.... rarity implying more value (lets face it, most people value rare things more than the not so rare). Do I think you meant to denigrate anyone? No. Should you change the way you write about how you feel about slavery? No. To me, and this is only in my heart and in my mind, I cannot imagine ever calling myself a slave or thinking of myself as owned. It just doesn't make me hot. It leaves me cold. Maybe I haven't met the right man... but I don't think that is the issue... I think I just get all sappy with different adjectives to define what I am feeling about a relationship... I really loved being a Daddy's girl. It is my thang, It made my heart go pitter pat.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 6:38:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida I think you're misunderstanding her point. No worries. It's not that huge a deal. Given she hasn't responded, if you're open to shedding some light on it, I'd of course be open to the explanation? To recap: 1. I asked what the "down-side" would be if one were to feel themselves a slave instead of a sub? 2. The response given by that poster was a scenario of being "cheated on" and "verbally abused" and having "no say because she's a slave"?!! This implies if one were a "sub" and not a "slave", then she would have a "say" in being "cheated on" and "verbally abused" -- but again (her words), "...she has no say because she's a slave". So by all means, if you can show what's been misunderstood, I'm all ears. I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely asking how the above could be misunderstood? My feeling is, these sorts of things can happen to a sub... a slave... a vanilla person, or Captain-friggin'-Crunch. It doesn't matter if one is a "slave" or not... abuse can come from anywhere and from anyone. How one self-identifies matters not. Thanks in advance! [:)] quote: ...suddenly he's cheating on her, being verbally abusive etc and claiming she has no say because she's a slave.

NuevaVida -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 7:06:52 PM)
She was being facetious.

sunshinemiss -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 7:20:41 PM)
2. The response given by that poster was a scenario of being "cheated on" and "verbally abused" and having "no say because she's a slave"?!! Actually, what she said was that HE IS CLAIMING she has no say .... etc. I think y'all are in agreement actually. She's saying that he's wrong. You're saying he's wrong... Take a breath. best, sunshine

SimplyMichael -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 8:54:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss 2. The response given by that poster was a scenario of being "cheated on" and "verbally abused" and having "no say because she's a slave"?!! Actually, what she said was that HE IS CLAIMING she has no say .... etc. I think y'all are in agreement actually. She's saying that he's wrong. You're saying he's wrong... Take a breath. best, sunshine You are no fun, we were all laughing at her throwing a tantrum because she can't grasp the larger concept that Des was pointing to. Which is why I think it is important to call some people stupid..

sunshinemiss -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 11:11:42 PM)
Now Michael, pulls glasses down a la teacher mode You know good darn and well that I am a good time. Come here. I want to remind you. [:D]

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Learning (5/16/2011 11:31:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Which is why I think it is important to call some people stupid.. No, actually... when a twit such as yourself resorts to personal attacks, it only shows how little (above and behind your zipper) you have to offer, little boi -- and a clear indication you've lost the debate. If ignorance is bliss, you must be positively orgasmic!!! But please do continue with your flaccid little attempts at manhood... you'll need something to share with your shrink. See... I can play your personal attack game too -- neat how that works, huh?!! [8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: Learning (5/17/2011 12:48:56 AM)
Im confused... and I will point out why. This is what Des said.... quote: We get new posters here all the time saying just this about their relationships. That suddenly he's cheating on her, being verbally abusive etc and claiming she has no say because she's a slave. To me, what Des is saying is that new posters are saying these things... that he is cheating on her, being verbally abusive... This isnt the belief Des holds... she is just relating what other people are saying. I had to read it a few times myself because I was so lost in the argument. I hope that helps point out the difference.

SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Learning (5/17/2011 12:56:36 AM)
You bottom when you go to a play party, find play top. You bottom to a dominant of your liking for the time Get peace, and love

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Learning (5/17/2011 2:06:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im confused... and I will point out why. This is what Des said.... quote: We get new posters here all the time saying just this about their relationships. That suddenly he's cheating on her, being verbally abusive etc and claiming she has no say because she's a slave. To me, what Des is saying is that new posters are saying these things... that he is cheating on her, being verbally abusive... This isnt the belief Des holds... she is just relating what other people are saying. I had to read it a few times myself because I was so lost in the argument. I hope that helps point out the difference. Yes, I understand what you've stated, but please try to understand what I've stated... again, a recap: 1. I asked what the "down-side" would be if one were to feel themselves a slave instead of a sub? 2. The response given by that poster was a scenario of being "cheated on" and "verbally abused" and having "no say because she's a slave"?!! Thus, the poster's reply implies if the girl had identified as a "sub" instead of a "slave", that this scenario wouldn't have taken place. Remember, this was a reply to my question of what the "down-side" would be for one who identifies as a slave. THE REPLAY IS FLAT OUT WRONG. This same scenario can happen to anyone -- so it's not a "down-side" to being a "slave"... it's the outcome of being with an idiot. As if said idiot couldn't "claim she has no say because she's a sub", as this frequently happens to subs as well -- and is not something exclusive to "slaves". Thus, the reply does not present a "down-side" to identifying as a slave vs a sub... it presents a scenario that can apply to anyone -- but falsely paints only the "slave" as the one who would fall subject to such stupid "claims". Does that help clarify?

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