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dcnovice -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:11:51 PM)

The train gets to Chicago at 1:37 p.m.




LanceHughes -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:12:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Is there a calculator in existence where one can enter an entire algebra problem exactly the way it looks (basically copy it) and the calculator will give an accurate answer?

 
NOPE.
 
I can figure most basic math easily without a calculator (which is more than some people can do), but find algebra extremely confusing. So far nobody has been able to explain algebra in a way I can understand it.
 
Aye, there's the rub.  I'm appalled at the way algebra is "taught."
 
Can a calculator figure all algebra problems for me without me having to understand them?
 
As someone else has said, "You NEED to understand."
 
I'm good at all other subjects and don't want to be denied a degree and lose my financial aid all because of one subject - math.


Please give an exmple and I step you through it.  It IS easy, and it is NOT those arithmetic "problems" being presented by PilotPTK.  Perfect example of "mis-teaching."

Give me an example of what you mean by "advanced" algebra.  And, BTW, how's your less-advanced algebra - they do build one upon the other. 




Musicmystery -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:13:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

The train gets to Chicago at 1:37 p.m.

...just in time to file your piece.




thishereboi -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:14:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PilotPTK

Purchasing one part at a time is not being a purchasing agent. Sorry. I could have a 10 year old do that.


Actually purchasing one part at a time when you are building custom control panels is not unusual. Of course you do that over and over all day long, so in actuality you are ordering many parts in a day. Then you throw in the larger orders that amazingly enough can be calculated with basic math. Maybe if you saw an actual purchase order it would help you understand.




PilotPTK -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:14:06 PM)

Of course its simple math! There is no complicated 'math' - its that ability to solve the simple math in the proper order that gives you ALGEBRA. (75/1000)*200 is exactly what you wrote, you just did the ALGEBRA part in your head and solved the two 'simple math' problems.




LanceHughes -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:15:45 PM)

Would all you jokesters please "stand down"? defiantbadgirl needs some help and no one seems to want to <truly> help.




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:16:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Might it be worth talking to a dean to see if there's another math class--geometry, statistics?--you could take in place of algebra?


Statistics instead of algebra? Are you crazy?

You mentioned order of operations. Is that what you are having the most trouble with? Can you post a few of the problems here? I'd be shocked if there wasn't someone here who could explain it in a way that would finally make it "click" for you.




PilotPTK -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:17:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: PilotPTK

Purchasing one part at a time is not being a purchasing agent. Sorry. I could have a 10 year old do that.


Actually purchasing one part at a time when you are building custom control panels is not unusual. Of course you do that over and over all day long, so in actuality you are ordering many parts in a day. Then you throw in the larger orders that amazingly enough can be calculated with basic math. Maybe if you saw an actual purchase order it would help you understand.



Perhaps if you considered ordering more than one part at a time from a vendor you could save your company money on shipping and get larger order discounts. I couldn't imagine placing orders one part at a time - you miss out on so much savings. And as for seeing a PO, I personally sign anywhere between 200K and 1M per month worth of them.. Occasionally more.




thishereboi -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:18:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PilotPTK

Of course its simple math! There is no complicated 'math' - its that ability to solve the simple math in the proper order that gives you ALGEBRA. (75/1000)*200 is exactly what you wrote, you just did the ALGEBRA part in your head and solved the two 'simple math' problems.


No I took two KNOWN numbers and divided, then multiplied. Now if I called my vendor and asked for a price and he gave me the total due and told me to figure for X to find the individual cost, I might have to do algebra, but I would probably find a new supplier first.




LanceHughes -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:18:07 PM)

Most all algebra "problems" are TOTALLY un-realistic.  But, guess what?  Those are the ones she must solve.
 
P.S.  I use trig many, many times each day.
 




PilotPTK -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:18:32 PM)

Consider me 'stood down' - I'm a horrible teacher because I find lazy people intolerable.

Good luck.




dcnovice -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:19:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Might it be worth talking to a dean to see if there's another math class--geometry, statistics?--you could take in place of algebra?


Statistics instead of algebra? Are you crazy?



Is statistics even worse? I haven't taken it myself.




PilotPTK -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:20:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: PilotPTK

Of course its simple math! There is no complicated 'math' - its that ability to solve the simple math in the proper order that gives you ALGEBRA. (75/1000)*200 is exactly what you wrote, you just did the ALGEBRA part in your head and solved the two 'simple math' problems.


No I took two KNOWN numbers and divided, then multiplied. Now if I called my vendor and asked for a price and he gave me the total due and told me to figure for X to find the individual cost, I might have to do algebra, but I would probably find a new supplier first.



What if the original supplier was the cheapest and or most reliable? I'd fire you on the spot if you tanked a reliable vendor because you couldn't figure algebra without their help.




thishereboi -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:22:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PilotPTK


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

quote:

ORIGINAL: PilotPTK

Purchasing one part at a time is not being a purchasing agent. Sorry. I could have a 10 year old do that.


Actually purchasing one part at a time when you are building custom control panels is not unusual. Of course you do that over and over all day long, so in actuality you are ordering many parts in a day. Then you throw in the larger orders that amazingly enough can be calculated with basic math. Maybe if you saw an actual purchase order it would help you understand.



Perhaps if you considered ordering more than one part at a time from a vendor you could save your company money on shipping and get larger order discounts. I couldn't imagine placing orders one part at a time - you miss out on so much savings. And as for seeing a PO, I personally sign anywhere between 200K and 1M per month worth of them.. Occasionally more.


So I should buy an extra $2000 power supply to keep around the shop in case we ever get another cabinet that will need it? Sorry but I would have been fired. We didn't order parts we didn't need and since the cabinets were custom, they all needed different things. It would have been asinine to order and pay for things we didn't need and might never use, just to get a discount. I honestly can't belive that someone who works with po's thinks you need algebra to fill one out.




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:23:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice


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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Might it be worth talking to a dean to see if there's another math class--geometry, statistics?--you could take in place of algebra?


Statistics instead of algebra? Are you crazy?



Is statistics even worse? I haven't taken it myself.

For me it was. I consider myself a math person, but if it wasn't for this one guy who "helped" me with all the take home exams when I took Statistics at GW, I would have completely failed. However, I LOVED algebra and geometry.




thishereboi -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:23:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

Most all algebra "problems" are TOTALLY un-realistic.  But, guess what?  Those are the ones she must solve.
 
P.S.  I use trig many, many times each day.
 



Yes and I have no clue how to help her. Hopefully the learning center at the college will have someone who can help. The teacher may know of some students who can tutor her also.




thishereboi -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:24:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PilotPTK


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: PilotPTK

Of course its simple math! There is no complicated 'math' - its that ability to solve the simple math in the proper order that gives you ALGEBRA. (75/1000)*200 is exactly what you wrote, you just did the ALGEBRA part in your head and solved the two 'simple math' problems.


No I took two KNOWN numbers and divided, then multiplied. Now if I called my vendor and asked for a price and he gave me the total due and told me to figure for X to find the individual cost, I might have to do algebra, but I would probably find a new supplier first.



What if the original supplier was the cheapest and or most reliable? I'd fire you on the spot if you tanked a reliable vendor because you couldn't figure algebra without their help.


It wasn't an issue. The vendors I worked with just gave me the price of the item. They didn't ask me to figure it out myself. That's called customer service.




dcnovice -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:25:37 PM)

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I LOVED algebra and geometry.


I hated algebra/trig, but I loved geometry.

Then again, I'm hopelessly math-phobic.




Musicmystery -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:27:00 PM)

Beware the aftermath....




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: algebra calculator (5/16/2011 9:28:44 PM)

Where the heck is Redmagic? I guarantee you he could help you understand it!!




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