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domiguy -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:19:24 PM)
what is a kelli?

hlen5 -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:20:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 I used to answer a crisis /helpline. Many mentally challenged and/or lonely men who couldn't get a partner would call and try to whack off with the phone call. Can I get your number? Sure!! 1-976-JAC-KOFF

LadyConstanze -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:21:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Men are visually stimulated. There is no harm in that. But you are saying it is okay to exploit men financially based on that. Number one........I NEVER said a word about men....you are making that leap. And Number two, I think the phrase 'to exploit men financially' is utter bullshit in this instance. No one is holding a gun to any putz's head, demanding they pay to ogle photos or any other ridiculous dumbassery they are willing to pay for. You got it all wrong, every Playboy model is an evil exploiter, same with porn stars and all that, since men are visually stimulated they are forced to buy magazines with nekkid women or porn when by the power of the penis they should get it for free... Crap, if they don't have enough fantasy and need to buy visual stimulation, why on earth should they get it for free? If I'm stimulated by nice food, does that mean the restaurants exploit me by charging?

rulemylife -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:21:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy really stupid question. Which question? So I can defend myself. [:D]

domiguy -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:22:59 PM)
directed towards the OP.

wittynamehere -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:23:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Do you believe you need to get consent from someone before you take sexual gratification on their behalf, even if they are totally unaware of it? "On their behalf"? I don't think that's possible. Maybe you meant something different. As for thinking about someone else, or looking at them, or imagining them naked, or whacking off in the forest while howling their name at the moon, no, you don't need that person's permission. If you were to involve them in some way, then you would. Leering with your hand down your pants in front of them would qualify as involving them, yes. The fact that you even honestly asked if you need someone's permission before fantasizing about them is disturbing to me in itself. I hope you were kidding!

domiguy -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:24:02 PM)
She was not. The op ain't the sharpest domme in the drawer.

LaTigresse -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:24:21 PM)
I don't know.......never bothered to try to find out. I am too busy working at a boring regular job and doing an awesomely fun, paying, photography thingy in my 'spare' time. I prefer to let people pay me to take their photo than take my own and try to make a few dineros.

rulemylife -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:24:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 I used to answer a crisis /helpline. Many mentally challenged and/or lonely men who couldn't get a partner would call and try to whack off with the phone call. Can I get your number? Sure!! 1-976-JAC-KOFF OK, I'll call within the next ten minutes. Is it okay if I start ahead of time?

Icarys -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:26:08 PM)
quote: when by the power of the penis You've been watching He-Man cartoons and fantasizing, haven't you.

LadyPact -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:26:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy what is a kelli? Kind of like the Snooki satire on South Park.

Icarys -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:27:19 PM)
quote: It would be unethical to answer that. Chicken.[8D]

DesFIP -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:29:31 PM)
To me, it's immoral. In fact, during the Day of Atonement, this is one of the things we confess to. From the Al Cheyt Reconstructionist Version used at my temple: "For the wrong we did before You by using sex exploitatively". If the person knew about it and found it wrong, then it's wrong. It's like cheating, you don't define it. The person who feels that you cheated on them gets to define it.

mnottertail -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:30:29 PM)
ah, shit....I gobbed the screen of your picture lotsa times. Now I feel all cheap and shit.

needlesandpins -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:31:03 PM)
having thought about this a bit i've come to the conclusion that i've never mentally undressed anyone. if a person is wearing good clothes that suit them i rather like them as they are until i can really get their kit off. of course anyone who i'd want to really be thinking of as naked i'll have already seen anyway. the thing is is that people don't always look as good as you may imagine when they are naked so i'd hate to be disappointed. i've never been one for the 'famous person' fantacy either, i may think someone is good looking but i'm not about to start imagining myself having sex with them. as for anything else, well i couldn't play with myself just listening to a voice, i have to have a visual and something going on already otherwise my body just doesn't tick. i find myself often fiddling when talking with my plaything as he has the most sexy voice, but then as i'm already fucking him i guess that doesn't count. sometimes i tell him, sometimes i don't. in fact if we talk for long enough it's pretty much a given that i will be doing at some point. as for ethical, wanking over someone in private it that floats your boat, yeah why not. doing it while talking to them on the phone without their knowledge/permission........probably not. needles

SilverMark -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:31:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Men are visually stimulated. There is no harm in that. But you are saying it is okay to exploit men financially based on that. Number one........I NEVER said a word about men....you are making that leap. And Number two, I think the phrase 'to exploit men financially' is utter bullshit in this instance. No one is holding a gun to any putz's head, demanding they pay to ogle photos or any other ridiculous dumbassery they are willing to pay for. You got it all wrong, every Playboy model is an evil exploiter, same with porn stars and all that, since men are visually stimulated they are forced to buy magazines with nekkid women or porn when by the power of the penis they should get it for free... Crap, if they don't have enough fantasy and need to buy visual stimulation, why on earth should they get it for free? If I'm stimulated by nice food, does that mean the restaurants exploit me by charging? Just means we men want to sit very close to you at dinner![8D]

rulemylife -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:37:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP To me, it's immoral. In fact, during the Day of Atonement, this is one of the things we confess to. From the Al Cheyt Reconstructionist Version used at my temple: "For the wrong we did before You by using sex exploitatively". If the person knew about it and found it wrong, then it's wrong. It's like cheating, you don't define it. The person who feels that you cheated on them gets to define it. Personally, I like exploiting women sexually. I like it even more when they exploit me. But then I am a pervert. This is MySpace isn't it? Because I really don't like those sick BDSM sites.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:37:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wittynamehere The fact that you even honestly asked if you need someone's permission before fantasizing about them is disturbing to me in itself. I hope you were kidding! I think most people would be more disturbed if they were asked "Mind if I fantasize about you tonight while I masturbate?" I can see that would really get a conversation going at a cocktail party, and think about the countless possibilities for sexual harassment law suits at work... And some celebs would possibly not appreciate being called up every minute with "Would you mind.... I just feel a bit frisky..." To be honest if that guy in the pub wants to have a wank and think about me - I rather not know about it, might put me off my dinner...

domiguy -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:41:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: needlesandpins having thought about this a bit i've come to the conclusion that i've never mentally undressed anyone. if a person is wearing good clothes that suit them i rather like them as they are until i can really get their kit off. of course anyone who i'd want to really be thinking of as naked i'll have already seen anyway. the thing is is that people don't always look as good as you may imagine when they are naked so i'd hate to be disappointed. i've never been one for the 'famous person' fantacy either, i may think someone is good looking but i'm not about to start imagining myself having sex with them. as for anything else, well i couldn't play with myself just listening to a voice, i have to have a visual and something going on already otherwise my body just doesn't tick. i find myself often fiddling when talking with my plaything as he has the most sexy voice, but then as i'm already fucking him i guess that doesn't count. sometimes i tell him, sometimes i don't. in fact if we talk for long enough it's pretty much a given that i will be doing at some point. as for ethical, wanking over someone in private it that floats your boat, yeah why not. doing it while talking to them on the phone without their knowledge/permission........probably not. needles Full of doo doo. I don't believe you in the slightest...It smacks of hypocrisy. Why are you dressed provocatively in your picture if you feel this way? I don't think about boning some hot chick/actress but I don't really think of them as being a complete and whole person either. I do wonder what they would look like naked and so do you. Because I know these things.

Icarys -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/17/2011 1:42:58 PM)
quote: whacking off in the forest while howling their name at the moon, no, you don't need that person's permission. I have a feeling that was a snippet from your life.[:D]

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