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Brain -> 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 2:09:43 AM)
I don't think it's right to blame the liberal 60s for sex abuse. I think it would help if the Roman Catholic Church allowed priests to get married. 60's Blamed For Church Sex Abuse A study commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic Bishops suggests that homosexuality and celibacy aren't at fault for priest sex abuse but the norms of the 1960's might be to blame. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzrUL8RpM4o&feature=feedu

willbeurdaddy -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 2:13:39 AM)
Wow, a study is needed to figure out why men act in concert with biological imperatives. Money well spent. [sm=banghead.gif]

ebonywarqueen -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 2:35:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain 60's Blamed For Church Sex Abuse A study commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic Bishops suggests that homosexuality and celibacy aren't at fault for priest sex abuse but the norms of the 1960's might be to blame. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss. Let me get this straight....the fact that they forbid priests to have sex has nothing to do with sex abuse amongst priests; but the 60's is the real reason for sexual abuse in the Catholic church??? And this is the best that a "commissioned study group" could come up with?? Damn shame.

rulemylife -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 3:48:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I think it would help if the Roman Catholic Church allowed priests to get married. So the only option left for them is to become pedophiles?

Moonhead -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 4:09:38 AM)
To be fair, I don't think the church would let them marry altarboys, even if they were allowed to marry.

ebonywarqueen -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 4:41:01 AM)
If it was just about sex and marriage they would be sleeping with women....GROWN women. They were raping children.

Moonhead -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 4:42:16 AM)
Yep. Not quite the same thing, is it?

tazzygirl -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 4:45:35 AM)
Refusing them to get married was nothing more than ensuring the Vatican's bank accounts got fatter. If a priest died, he left his money and property to his wife or kids. No wife/kids? The church gets it. Using that as an excuse to rape boys would be laughable if it weren't so sickening.

sisterjubilee -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 4:50:44 AM)
Exactly- and it was the same trick with nuns. Family has money? Get the daughter to "hear the calling" and take a vow of poverty giving all of her "wordly goods" to the church. How do they think the Vatican got so much money...prayer?

angelikaJ -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 4:51:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain 60's Blamed For Church Sex Abuse A study commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic Bishops suggests that *homosexuality* and celibacy aren't at fault for priest sex abuse but the norms of the 1960's might be to blame. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzrUL8RpM4o&feature=feedu Homosexuality isn't an issue either. Being a pedophile has nothing to do with being gay.

Moonhead -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 4:52:43 AM)
God's banker might have something to do with that as well: you know, the lad who was found hanging from a bridge with bricks stuffed down his underpants?

DarkSteven -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 4:59:05 AM)
I remember the sixties. We were ALL into nonconsensual sex with minors. FFS. The sixties was a time of sexual liberation, but: 1. Nobody but the Catholic Church used that for pederasty. 2. When the sixties ended, the priests didn't stop. If this is the kind of education they give, to associate two random things without establishing cause and effect, then the Catholic schools are nowhere near as good as I thought.

Hillwilliam -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 5:33:50 AM)
I think the so called 'study' misses a lot of the points (note who paid for the analysts). First, they act like this has only been going on for a few decades. I think if the truth were known, it would be found that this behavior has been going on for centuries. Why wasn't it reported before now? Pure and simple FEAR. the church had absolute power until fairly recently. Even a 12 year old with a sore ass knows there are worse things than being summoned to the bell tower again. They also realized that even if they DID tell, noone would believe them. Secondly, I feel celibacy does have something to do with it. Before you flame Me, read the next couple of sentences. "Priestly Celibacy" attracts those who do NOT have normal sexual desires (a minority) as well as those who feel a genuine calling to serve. There is a certain small percentage of people male and female who just have no sexual attraction to anyone. They have no need for it. For these folks, priestly celibacy is PERFECT. They have no pressure to marry. They understand that if they did marry that some poor person would be miserable and they feel they have a chance to contribute and do a lot of good. An asexual person in a job requiring celibacy is a perfect example of a round peg in a round hole. On the other hand, there are those who know thay have "dark desires". Some of them choose the priesthood in an attempt to fight those urges reasoning that "If it's forbidden to have sex, I will be able to get past these 'unholy urges'". Maybe it works sometimes but, sadly, it definitely doesn't a lot of the time. I think the church has been aware of this problem but they turn a blind eye to it because of the shortage of priests. I think it should cost them every dime they have.

xssve -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 6:19:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ebonywarqueen If it was just about sex and marriage they would be sleeping with women....GROWN women. They were raping children. I keep telling them that's what the organist is for. Anyway, as apologia, it falls appallingly short - "it was the liberals fault"! Way to take responsibility there, they're trying desperately to sweep it back under the rug. Beyond that, I think it's egregious insult to try and turn it into partisan political hay like this, I don't think there's much question anymore we're dealing with a deeply corrupt institution here. Only bright note here is that they have been forced to repudiate the "homosexuals are child molesters" meme.

xssve -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 6:23:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I remember the sixties. We were ALL into nonconsensual sex with minors. FFS. The sixties was a time of sexual liberation, but: 1. Nobody but the Catholic Church used that for pederasty. 2. When the sixties ended, the priests didn't stop. If this is the kind of education they give, to associate two random things without establishing cause and effect, then the Catholic schools are nowhere near as good as I thought. I was wondering about that, I don't remember there ever being a whole lot of interest in children other than getting away from them to have sex - the whole hysteria about child abuse didn't start until the Eighties when they falsely accused all those people. Clearly, all the real action was back in the sacristy.

Owner59 -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 7:22:56 AM)
Not sure that the 60`s had anything to do with church leaders continually giving aid and comfort to rapists,sheltering them from law enforcement and the criminal justice system and resettling them into other communities ,enabling them to attack more children and more children for decades. This seems like more of a mid-evil influence. This pattern of abuse and facilitation of criminal sexual activity could be hundred of years old.No one knows how far back this shit goes.Blaming the 60`s..........how fuck`n lame is that?This is like the rapist blaming the victim. Frankly,I don`t see how this outfit continues to exist at all. What other entity or organization could perpetrate this much suffering and damage and not be dissolved or put out of business?

Termyn8or -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 7:43:24 AM)
FR Oldsters, I remember this joke and in context with the thread I wonder how old it is. It is quite old but just HOW old ? Q : How can a Nun get pregnant ? A : Dress up loke an altarboy The origin of that joke most likely did not preceed incidents. T^T

Lucylastic -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 12:29:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Not sure that the 60`s had anything to do with church leaders continually giving aid and comfort to rapists,sheltering them from law enforcement and the criminal justice system and resettling them into other communities ,enabling them to attack more children and more children for decades. This seems like more of a mid-evil influence. This pattern of abuse and facilitation of criminal sexual activity could be hundred of years old.No one knows how far back this shit goes.Blaming the 60`s..........how fuck`n lame is that?This is like the rapist blaming the victim. Frankly,I don`t see how this outfit continues to exist at all. What other entity or organization could perpetrate this much suffering and damage and not be dissolved or put out of business? They have to blame something they cant accept responsibility for themselves

tazzygirl -> RE: 60s Blamed For Church Sex Abuse (5/20/2011 12:53:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I remember the sixties. We were ALL into nonconsensual sex with minors. FFS. The sixties was a time of sexual liberation, but: 1. Nobody but the Catholic Church used that for pederasty. 2. When the sixties ended, the priests didn't stop. If this is the kind of education they give, to associate two random things without establishing cause and effect, then the Catholic schools are nowhere near as good as I thought. I was wondering about that, I don't remember there ever being a whole lot of interest in children other than getting away from them to have sex - the whole hysteria about child abuse didn't start until the Eighties when they falsely accused all those people. Clearly, all the real action was back in the sacristy. Some of these cases go back to the 70's... and those were just the ones that were told.

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