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OrionTheWolf -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 4:35:44 PM)
I believe the reform needs to start at the level of the politicians, and more so in the thoughts of citizens that allow our politicians to be corporatist. Heck this forum is a good example of the party line bickering that distracts us from holding politicians to the role of servants of the people. Until that foundation is fixed, nothing else will have any long term effects.

pahunkboy -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 4:45:48 PM)
Tazz, 9-10-01 they announced that 2.3 trillion $ was "missing". We could start there. The War On Waste - CBS Evening News - CBS News.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 4:55:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Tazz, 9-10-01 they announced that 2.3 trillion $ was "missing". We could start there. The War On Waste - CBS Evening News - CBS News. Youve been called on this lie before.

pahunkboy -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 4:59:32 PM)
The reform should include all military spending-- to include off budget. No bid contracts should be ended and no more. Also they keep 2 sets of books- the CAFR is the one we want...as we are not broke.

Fellow -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 8:14:03 PM)
Some people seem to assume reform is realistically possible within the current system. No, it is not. The power elite will fight progressive change attempt. The current soft police state is soft only until the real resistance arises. When I said: "well-armed" reform party I meant it literally. A potential reform party must be ready for bloody battle.

tazzygirl -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 8:38:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania About GAO The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) is an independent, nonpartisan agency that works for Congress. Often called the "congressional watchdog," GAO investigates how the federal government spends taxpayer dollars. The head of GAO, the Comptroller General of the United States, is appointed to a 15-year term by the President from a slate of candidates Congress proposes. Gene L. Dodaro became Acting Comptroller General of the United States on March 13, 2008, succeeding David M. Walker, who appointed him upon resigning. Gene L. Dodaro became Comptroller General of the United States and head of the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) on December 22, 2010, when he was confirmed by the United States Senate. He was nominated by President Obama in September of 2010 and had been serving as Acting Comptroller General since March of 2008. http://www.gao.gov/about/ Peer Review Every 3 years, independent organizations perform a peer review of GAO’s system of quality control for work done under generally accepted government auditing standards to determine whether it is suitably designed and operating effectively. The peer review includes a review of audit documentation, tests of functional areas, and staff interviews. The peer reviewers brief the Executive Committee, management, and staff members. An international team from supreme audit institutions performs the peer review of performance audits. An international certified public accounting firm conducts the peer review of financial audit engagements. http://www.gao.gov/about/review.html How does so much fraud go undetected then.

tazzygirl -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 8:40:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf I believe the reform needs to start at the level of the politicians, and more so in the thoughts of citizens that allow our politicians to be corporatist. Heck this forum is a good example of the party line bickering that distracts us from holding politicians to the role of servants of the people. Until that foundation is fixed, nothing else will have any long term effects. On that I agree, Master Orion.

subfever -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 9:28:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow Some people seem to assume reform is realistically possible within the current system. No, it is not. The power elite will fight progressive change attempt. The current soft police state is soft only until the real resistance arises. All true. quote: When I said: "well-armed" reform party I meant it literally. A potential reform party must be ready for bloody battle. An armed revolution from within is a recipe for disastrous failure, and would serve to hasten both the erosion of our freedom along with the unfolding of the globalist-elite agenda. The PTB would welcome such misguided action.

Arpig -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 9:57:33 PM)
Start with this...further instructions will follow http://www.socialistrevolution.org/activist-guide/

Owner59 -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 10:02:33 PM)
On Wall Street,in corporate America`s boardrooms,with our banks and with our oversight system.No more foxes guarding the hens. And leave the middle class the fuck alone.

Fellow -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 10:52:06 PM)
quote: An armed revolution from within is a recipe for disastrous failure, and would serve to hasten both the erosion of our freedom along with the unfolding of the globalist-elite agenda. The PTB would welcome such misguided action. I agree with it, I mostly warn to be ready for police action, and not to assume the Constitution protects anybody. Today's political power does not understand peaceful action. We saw it recently in Toronto where 1 billion dollars was used on security and violence was initiated using provocateurs. I think, as there was no real threat, the idea was simply training the police force for future. These people know very well hard times are very close.

subfever -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 10:56:57 PM)
quote: I think, as there was no real threat, the idea was simply training the police force for future. Perhaps that and/or justifying their billion dollar existence.

TheHeretic -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 11:14:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl 640 for a toilet seat, 7500 for a coffee machine... over 400 for a claw hammer.... Tazzy, that's where the accountants were siphoning the money off to pay for the original stealth fighter, and God knows what else, in the black budget. Now we should certainly be looking to catch fraud, waste, and abuse wherever it raises its head, but if we want to get serious about reform, we need to be looking at what we can get rid of completely, rather than making sure everybody turns off their computer, and ending free coffee for the office staff. Want to save some big bucks every year, on an ongoing basis? Restructure the government workforce in such a way that most employees will come and go, rather than turning into deadwood for the last decade before collecting their pensions.

tazzygirl -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 11:26:31 PM)
Again, another truth, Rich. On both sides of the isle. Should lower ranking employees have term limits too? Just a thought... answer if anyone wishes.

TheHeretic -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/20/2011 11:33:05 PM)
Tazzy, I cannot for the life of me, imagine why anyone should retire with a nice package of benefits, after 30 years of sweeping floors, or delivering mail, and calling themselves a public servant. Most government employment should just be a "job," and never become a "career."

tazzygirl -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/21/2011 12:07:22 AM)
Hush money?

joether -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/21/2011 3:11:46 AM)
Please define "Waste".... What is 'waste' to one person is 'good and well funded' to another. Funny that people who dont use something,claim that item is waste....as long as it doesnt create more political backlash for they themselves (i.e. a peace activitist voting down the Defense Budget). How many threads have we had on the topic of health care being a 'waste of spending'? Or 'Libya war' is a waste of spending? Or 'The War on Drugs' is a waste? How many threads have we....wasted....on stupid, irrelavant, useless crap? There's a thread from DomIgmus (did I get the name right?) who stated some lady killed some intruder with a firearm, thus proving that guns kill people (and we should all have more ways of killing our fellow neighbor citizen then we did before, right?). Twelve pages and counting. Charts, arguements, statistics, potty mouth, obsessive addicts, and a few weird quotes. And will ANYTHING happen as far as improving the 2nd Amendment come from that thread? Not really; But is that thread....a waste? If your going to talk about removing the waste, its best you come up with the accurate defination. And one we ALL agree is the accurate, truthful, fair, and honest defination.....irrefutable....regardless of the line item, of something being 'wasteful spending'. We wouldn't want anyone to be excluded from having their fair words heard by all citizens, right?

thishereboi -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/21/2011 4:42:57 AM)
I remember that tazzy. Thanks for the cartoon, I needed a laugh. What an idiot lol.

thishereboi -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/21/2011 4:48:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Again, another truth, Rich. On both sides of the isle. Should lower ranking employees have term limits too? Just a thought... answer if anyone wishes. I think they should. I also like the idea of audits.

rulemylife -> RE: Where should reform begin? (5/21/2011 5:53:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf I believe the reform needs to start at the level of the politicians, and more so in the thoughts of citizens that allow our politicians to be corporatist. Heck this forum is a good example of the party line bickering that distracts us from holding politicians to the role of servants of the people. Until that foundation is fixed, nothing else will have any long term effects. I would disagree. That bickering is what keeps politicians accountable.

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