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Brain -> Making Things in America (5/20/2011 8:17:59 PM)

Republicans are irresponsible, incompetent have no business running the country or managing the economy. In a nutshell, Republicans are not qualified to lead politically. They ruined the economy because they were brainwashed by ideology and have done their darndest to prevent the present recovery because of ideology and politicking.

Making Things in America
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: May 19, 2011

Manufacturing is one of the bright spots of a generally disappointing recovery, and there are signs that a sustained comeback may be under way. And there’s something else you should know: If right-wing critics of efforts to rescue the economy had gotten their way, this comeback wouldn’t be happening. Crucially, the manufacturing trade deficit seems to be coming down. At this point, it’s only about half as large as a share of G.D.P. as it was at the peak of the housing bubble, and further improvements are in the pipeline. The Boston Consulting Group, which is now predicting a U.S. “manufacturing renaissance,” points to major U.S. firms like Caterpillar that once shifted production abroad but are now moving it back. At the same time, companies from other countries, especially European firms, are moving production to America.

America’s industrial heartland is now leading the economic recovery.


Which brings me to those right-wing critics. First, what’s driving the turnaround in our manufacturing trade? The main answer is that the U.S. dollar has fallen against other currencies, helping give U.S.-based manufacturing a cost advantage. A weaker dollar, it turns out, was just what U.S. industry needed. Yet the Federal Reserve finds itself under intense pressure from the right to make the dollar stronger, not weaker. A few months ago, Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, berated Ben Bernanke for failing to tighten monetary policy, declaring: “There is nothing more insidious that a country can do to its citizens than debase its currency.” If Mr. Bernanke had given in to that kind of pressure, manufacturing would have continued its relentless decline.

So while we still have a deeply troubled economy, one piece of good news is that Americans are, once again, starting to actually make things. And we’re doing that thanks, in large part, to the fact that the Fed and the Obama administration ignored very bad advice from right-wingers — ideologues who still, in the face of all the evidence, claim to know something about creating prosperity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/opinion/20krugman.html?_r=1

Paul Krugman

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Fellow -> RE: Making Things in America (5/20/2011 11:35:52 PM)

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So while we still have a deeply troubled economy, one piece of good news is that Americans are, once again, starting to actually make things. And we’re doing that thanks, in large part, to the fact that the Fed and the Obama administration ignored very bad advice from right-wingers — ideologues who still, in the face of all the evidence, claim to know something about creating prosperity.


I wish P. Krugman would do some work and operate with real numbers. He has turned into an ideologue. There is no sign Obama administration offers real support for manufacturing. In fact, they push "free trade" agreement with Korea (estimated job loss 149,000), GM used bailout money to move some production abroad, increased health care cost etc. I heard nothing about increasing tariffs on foreign goods. Krugman mention of GM profits ignores the fact the profits come mostly from China (and contribute very little to the US, they also do not pay corporate tax).
It is early to speak about major "renaissance".  Eventually it will happen. Obama/Fed part in this will be destroying the dollar, so that imports will be mostly impossible.




rulemylife -> RE: Making Things in America (5/21/2011 12:06:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

I wish P. Krugman would do some work and operate with real numbers. He has turned into an ideologue. There is no sign Obama administration offers real support for manufacturing. In fact, they push "free trade" agreement with Korea (estimated job loss 149,000), GM used bailout money to move some production abroad, increased health care cost etc. I heard nothing about increasing tariffs on foreign goods. Krugman mention of GM profits ignores the fact the profits come mostly from China (and contribute very little to the US, they also do not pay corporate tax).
It is early to speak about major "renaissance".  Eventually it will happen. Obama/Fed part in this will be destroying the dollar, so that imports will be mostly impossible.



Is it also too early for you to substantiate anything you have just said?




DarkSteven -> RE: Making Things in America (5/21/2011 5:46:44 AM)

Hard to understand the context.  A strong dollar is a cause of a weaker economy, but also the symptom of a stronger one.  So saying it's good or bad really needs context.

That said, I have read (I don't know how true it is) that some companies have begun moving operations from Mexico because of employee safety concerns in the wake of the drug was over there.  Other low wage countries have political instability, and Japan ain't gonna gt to full production capacity any time soon.  And you can guarantee that if you have manufacturing facilities in China, you will have to turn a blind eye to child labor, pirating of intellectual property, etc.

In other words, I'm wondering if non-financial issues played a decision in going American.

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ORIGINAL: Fellow
There is no sign Obama administration offers real support for manufacturing.



While I agree with that statement, it's not just the Obama administration.  The Clinton and Bush administrations (both of them)  showed no love for manufacturing either.  Reagan supported manufacturing only through the military buildup under his tenure. And Nixon paved the way to commerce with China.




Fellow -> RE: Making Things in America (5/21/2011 3:06:33 PM)

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While I agree with that statement, it's not just the Obama administration. The Clinton and Bush administrations (both of them) showed no love for manufacturing either. Reagan supported manufacturing only through the military buildup under his tenure. And Nixon paved the way to commerce with China.


It is true, but I responded to Krugman's suggestion Obama administration has done something substantial. In fact, Obamas's previous adviser L. Summers specifically said that manufacturing is not a perspective area of interest. Krugman, of course, thinks in Keynesian terms. Does he think a little "dead cat" bounce in manufacturing justifies Obama administration massive borrowing, money inflation and bailouts?
US exports to China are increasing, but  major articles exported are scrap metal and recycled materials. At the same time general trade deficit picture is worsening. See for example:
[ http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/11/0517/atp.html ] "The first quarter trade deficit in goods and services is 23.5 percent worse than during the first quarter of 2010 and is 20.4 percent worse than during the last quarter of 2010."




SternSkipper -> RE: Making Things in America (5/21/2011 8:18:25 PM)

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While I agree with that statement, it's not just the Obama administration. The Clinton and Bush administrations (both of them) showed no love for manufacturing either. Reagan supported manufacturing only through the military buildup under his tenure. And Nixon paved the way to commerce with China.



It is true, but I responded to Krugman's suggestion Obama administration has done something substantial. In fact, Obamas's previous adviser L. Summers specifically said that manufacturing is not a perspective area of interest. Krugman, of course, thinks in Keynesian terms. Does he think a little "dead cat" bounce in manufacturing justifies Obama administration massive borrowing, money inflation and bailouts?
US exports to China are increasing, but major articles exported are scrap metal and recycled materials. At the same time general trade deficit picture is worsening. See for example:
[ http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/11/0517/atp.html ] "The first quarter trade deficit in goods and services is 23.5 percent worse than during the first quarter of 2010 and is 20.4 percent worse than during the last quarter of 2010."
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

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While I agree with that statement, it's not just the Obama administration. The Clinton and Bush administrations (both of them) showed no love for manufacturing either. Reagan supported manufacturing only through the military buildup under his tenure. And Nixon paved the way to commerce with China.


It is true, but I responded to Krugman's suggestion Obama administration has done something substantial. In fact, Obamas's previous adviser L. Summers specifically said that manufacturing is not a perspective area of interest. Krugman, of course, thinks in Keynesian terms. Does he think a little "dead cat" bounce in manufacturing justifies Obama administration massive borrowing, money inflation and bailouts?
US exports to China are increasing, but  major articles exported are scrap metal and recycled materials. At the same time general trade deficit picture is worsening. See for example:
[ http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/11/0517/atp.html ] "The first quarter trade deficit in goods and services is 23.5 percent worse than during the first quarter of 2010 and is 20.4 percent worse than during the last quarter of 2010."


Wow that's so weird... the US Department of Commerce apparently has nowhere near as much information as you have. The don't even mention dead cats...

"The US department of commerce, the United States - top three trading partners are Canada, Mexico and China. Of these countries the top US exports are machinery, and electrical machinery. Other major exports are vehicles, aircraft and medical instruments. However the US does export high value agricultural goods around the world"

Thanks for your help in 'understanding things'





Musicmystery -> RE: Making Things in America (5/21/2011 8:21:25 PM)

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Wow that's so weird... the US Department of Commerce apparently has nowhere near as much information as you have.

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]




Fellow -> RE: Making Things in America (5/21/2011 10:01:59 PM)

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Wow that's so weird... the US Department of Commerce apparently has nowhere near as much information as you have. The don't even mention dead cats...

"The US department of commerce, the United States - top three trading partners are Canada, Mexico and China. Of these countries the top US exports are machinery, and electrical machinery. Other major exports are vehicles, aircraft and medical instruments. However the US does export high value agricultural goods around the world"

What is the problem?  I am not waging any war here or spreading intentionally lies. Did I say the US does not produce machinery? The link above I relied on uses the government official data. Here are the additional news [ America's Biggest Trade Export To China? Trash. : http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/jodie-allen/2010/03/03/americas-biggest-trade-export-to-china-trash ]. It is the trade deficit what matters in macroeconomic sense. Do you suggest the imports accompanied by the increase in debt increasing faster than the exports  (what is the case) is good economic policy?




Real0ne -> RE: Making Things in America (5/21/2011 10:13:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Wow that's so weird... the US Department of Commerce apparently has nowhere near as much information as you have.

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]


yeh SNAFU




popeye1250 -> RE: Making Things in America (5/21/2011 10:43:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

I wish P. Krugman would do some work and operate with real numbers. He has turned into an ideologue. There is no sign Obama administration offers real support for manufacturing. In fact, they push "free trade" agreement with Korea (estimated job loss 149,000), GM used bailout money to move some production abroad, increased health care cost etc. I heard nothing about increasing tariffs on foreign goods. Krugman mention of GM profits ignores the fact the profits come mostly from China (and contribute very little to the US, they also do not pay corporate tax).
It is early to speak about major "renaissance".  Eventually it will happen. Obama/Fed part in this will be destroying the dollar, so that imports will be mostly impossible.



Is it also too early for you to substantiate anything you have just said?



I've seen that job loss figure too if we get involved in a "free-trade" agreement with S. Korea but I read so much financial information everyday I can't remember where I saw it.
If that's a govt figure you know they put lipstick on it.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Making Things in America (5/22/2011 12:11:00 PM)

 
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ORIGINAL: Brain

Republicans are irresponsible, incompetent have no business running the country or managing the economy. In a nutshell, Republicans are not qualified to lead politically. They ruined the economy because they were brainwashed by ideology and have done their darndest to prevent the present recovery because of ideology and politicking.


Here, let me fix your quote to represent the other ideological biased point of view:

Democrats are irresponsible, incompetent have no business running the country or managing the economy. In a nutshell, Democrats are not qualified to lead politically. They ruined the economy because they were brainwashed by ideology and have done their darndest to prevent the present recovery because of ideology and politicking.

There. [:D]

Firm




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