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People who get hysterical when their gender bias's are challenged should be wrapped in plastic.
Hysterical? I doubt anyone would get hysterical. And you can't finger "gender bias" as the problem. The knowledge of gender identity and related issues has really only come to the forefront very recently. The vast majority of western society (the segment of the population we are really talking about here) grew up without this knowledge. So the initial impression people might have doesn't come from a willful disregard of the possibilities but of one from their ingrained knowledge base of feminine is usually female, masculine is usually male.
Don't get out much? Apparently B&N anticipated some hysteria.
Second, who isn't familiar with androgyny? David Bowie is like, 40 years ago, which all this reminds me of - and if you never heard of Bowie, you cannot possibly not have heard of the "Gay Agenda", it's practically the only thing the right cares about anymore when they aren't questioning Obamas country of origin or bashing Muslims.
I defy you to find anybody in the US born after 1920 or so who isn't familiar with androgyny - and androgyny was pretty popular in the 1920's for that matter.
Nah, the hysteria is both predictable and contrived, they need to grow up.
How is it that you link Bowie with "Gay Agenda", considering he is not gay? And how did the issue of being gay get brought into discussion? It wasn't part of the OP. As for androgyny being popular in the 20's? Hmm...since you weren't there, you are basing this on what?
Who isn't familiar with androgyny? I can't answer that, though knowing what I do of society, I wouldn't doubt there are people who may not be familiar with it. I feel like you haven't read anything I've written because I have emphasized over and over again how the initial impression people some people will have has to do with their beliefs and experiences. People can know what androgyny is all about, but that doesn't mean their thought processes immediately go to that idea when they have that first impression because they don't. How many people responding to this thread thought, on first impression that the model was female? And I think it's a safe bet the posters here are more than familiar with androgyny, gender identification (two different things), and anything related to gender that is considered different than "the norm".
I cannot envision anyone behaving in a manner that is hysterical, as defined in a reputable dictionary.
We are going to have to agree to disagree because I feel this is becoming circular.
The only one going circles is you - you started with disputing gender bias as a motivation, and that encompasses the subject of homosexuality and androgyny - I really don't give a crap whether Bowie is gay or not, that's his business, he did, in several of his numerous incarnations, present a distinctly androgynous persona - all I'm establishing here is the presence of androgynous imagery in mass media.
Bowie has nothing to do with any gay agenda that I'm aware of, if there is even such a thing, and I'm not at all sure how you managed to get the impression I said that - what I said was, the Christian right is very much obsessed with gender and gender roles, their hostility toward homosexuality is a symptom of that, and there is definitely an agenda there, which probably led to B&N's hesitation to display this cover, as it is distinctly androgynous, symbolically questioning the validity of strict, binary gender roles.
Flapper fashion is highly androgynous among other things: short hair, flat chests, straight lines from shoulder to hip - particularly in contrast to Victorian fashion, which was characterized by an exaggerated emphasis on the curvature of the female silhouette.
Finally, I don't know what country you're from, but here in America, people seldom formulate their own opinions, it's often dangerous to do so - we have mass media channels that supply our opinions to us - hostility towards questioning binary gender roles is a pet issue, gay marriage, etc., it's a war to them (it's always a "war", for some reason, Mithraism?) they spend Millions, Billions, on this shit, it's not individuals just seeing something like this and freaking out, it's contrived, organized (I watched them hassle a McDonald's employee not too long ago, complaining to the manager over of his piercings, and very stylish androgynous look in general, it's a popular look right now), and heading into an election year, they're going to be pushing social conservatism hard, mainly because it's all they have, not having a record to run on, maybe why B&N is battening down the hatches, these people are like stalkers.
Anyway, this belongs in Politics and Religion, but if you want more examples of androgyny in popular art, take a look at statues of angels some time.
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