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ownedgirlie -> RE: submit to express? (5/12/2006 11:43:00 PM)

I have a great dentist on standby for you my friend. :)




BitaTruble -> RE: submit to express? (5/12/2006 11:55:54 PM)

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to the subs:
do you feel your submission is an expression of love or affection?



For me, it just 'is' and it's power based, not affection or love based. I don't require love or affection to submit, I require the taking of my power. One need not love me nor have affection for me in order to take that power. They need only have the desire and ability to do so. Himself certainly took that power long before he loved me, though I think he liked me very well. :)

I don't submit because.. ::enumerate reasons here:: I just submit, period. I have to as there is no choice for it be otherwise. Himself has taken the power from me to fight against not submitting.

My love and affection for Himself manifests in just about every way except via submission. ;)

Celeste




LdyS -> RE: submit to express? (5/13/2006 12:04:05 AM)

Very interesting thread. I only hurt those I like, and if I like them a lot... well it stands to reason that I allow them close enough to me to feed the beast... and truly suffer for me. Whips crack, knives are sharpened, floggers rebraided.  I have learned (not always the easiest way) that if I like hitting him more than I like him - in general--then it is best not to hit him.  Perhaps Responsible Sadism is an oxymoron. Perhaps it is simply my own personal style. Best wishes.




CERCKL -> RE: submit to express? (5/13/2006 12:34:11 AM)

quote:

to the Dom/mes:
do you view your dominance & those "cracks of the whip" as an expression of love and/or affection for the sub?

A certain element of my 'dominance' which tends to come out regarding those I love(d) is the attempt to guide, expand, teach...I can have a sense of power around me in different situations which have nothing to do with the emotional but as I am 'relationship' based at this point of my life...I find that I want to know, completely, and that I then tend to find myself inside of them as well as they in me...a centering, grounding aspect which helps keep me from flying out into the darker recesses of myself...an act of creation if you will; energy flow.

C




MistressLove999 -> RE: submit to express? (5/13/2006 12:49:05 AM)

I have to say yes, to it being affection. If there wasn't any type of attraction at all for me with my sub, then why be with him?
As for cracking the whip, we both gain from it.




allspicey -> RE: submit to express? (5/13/2006 12:54:20 AM)

A very interesting question.  I showed it to Master who said....hmmm...a very interesting question. lol!

When I came to serve Master I made it very clear that love was not something I was interested in between us.  The four pillars of my submission are: Respect, Honesty, Trust, Duty.  Duty takes over when I'm flat exhausted or angry because of something that seems completely not right or communication breaks down...I still serve and I still submit because I can't be and do anything else and because I made that committment to do so.

The biggest buttons one can push with me are power and control, with the highest form of this being Ownership.  Love is way down at the bottom of the pile.  I do love Master but that was a long and hard battle he fought with me because love is not the strongest of glue and sometimes interferes with the deeper Master/slave dynamics and I didn't want it interfering with our relationship! [:D]  It can make a Master soft when he needs to be hard, giving when he needs to be taking.  I always care about the people I serve, I feel extraordinarily bonded with and tender toward them.  However, this isn't romantic love nor do I wish it to be. 

I asked Master if love and affection are part of our play time or his dominance of me.  He said "Sometimes".  It depends on what he is wanting.  When he plays with me, it is now usually part of our play time but not always (for instance, in a heavy S&M session, it is much more about him fulfilling his sadist side and very little about love between us).  With outside parties, love is certainly not part of it and even affection isn't necessary although it may be there.  He has played with people on a strictly physical and non emotional level or on a deeper, more affectionate level. 

So...is it necessary? Not at all for me.  With Master it's turned out to be a good all around relationship but when I was seeking strictly D/s, I was definitely not looking for love.  Care, yes, love, no.

spicey 




irishbynature -> RE: submit to express? (5/13/2006 2:30:39 AM)

Being submissive is how I express my affection.[;)]




ExistentialSteel -> RE: submit to express? (5/13/2006 4:20:34 AM)

In my particular relationship my domination certainly is an expression of my feelings. My sub wants to be submissive so I’m doing something with her that she wants. It is not just any activity I’m doing with her, but it is the ultimate, mind blowing, most supernova explosion people can do. Increasing intimacy always shows feelings for someone. Suppose I haven’t seen her for a long time and I decide to work on a long caning session with her. She cries, I touch her, kiss her, encourage, arouse and listen to her responses to the pain. I carefully observe her physical ability to take the pain. She is the center of my attention and that shows my deep affection for her. Ahhhh, beautiful.




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