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SternSkipper -> Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 8:37:12 AM)

He's started out saying "Israel has no better friend that America ,America has no better friend than Israel. Congratulations Mr President, You got Bin Laden, Good Riddens!"

I am sure there will be some qualification of the US recommended deal... but It kinda flys in the face of what these mysterious 'sources close to Netanyahu' seem to be saying in the fake articles and comments made by some of the posts I see on the internet.





mnottertail -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 8:39:32 AM)

Theater is performed in the round on the worlds political stage.




SternSkipper -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 8:44:37 AM)

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Theater is performed in the round on the worlds political stage.


This is a surprise?
He's playing the chamber Dude.... I'm just commenting on the SPEECH... you think  I think this is from the heart?
   But the content of the speech and his demeanor hint at the future in the region.
I don't remember did Israel even speak before the house in the last decade?






WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 8:46:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
He's started out saying "Israel has no better friend that America ,America has no better friend than Israel. Congratulations Mr President, You got Bin Laden, Good Riddens!"

I am sure there will be some qualification of the US recommended deal... but It kinda flys in the face of what these mysterious 'sources close to Netanyahu' seem to be saying in the fake articles and comments made by some of the posts I see on the internet.

J. Garcia is a funny guy... Kept saying that the article expressed pretty much exactly what Netanyahu said to Barry S but he is determined to make out its a fake!!! It was just a report of an advisor speaking off the record. lol Happens a lot so what's the problem with it? Since the spanking N gave Obama he is trying to make up. Thats just diplomacy. [8|]




mnottertail -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 8:50:26 AM)

Don't know who Barry S is, but now that Obama thrashed his ass, pretty much told him he didn't give a fuck what his party line was, that it was time to find a way to fix the ENTIRE middle east now that there is a great call there,  and walked out on his likud diatribes to go to dinner with his family, Bennie has positioned his speech to the hardlines for saving face with his likud and now he will have to talk some reality. 




Owner59 -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 8:55:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh

quote:

ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
He's started out saying "Israel has no better friend that America ,America has no better friend than Israel. Congratulations Mr President, You got Bin Laden, Good Riddens!"

I am sure there will be some qualification of the US recommended deal... but It kinda flys in the face of what these mysterious 'sources close to Netanyahu' seem to be saying in the fake articles and comments made by some of the posts I see on the internet.

J. Garcia is a funny guy... Kept saying that the article expressed pretty much exactly what Netanyahu said to Barry S but he is determined to make out its a fake!!! It was just a report of an advisor speaking off the record. lol Happens a lot so what's the problem with it? Since the spanking N gave Obama he is trying to make up. Thats just diplomacy. [8|]


More like don`t bite the hand that feeds you.

Bibi knows on which side the bread is buttered.

Seems like cons don`t.




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:01:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Don't know who Barry S is, but now that Obama thrashed his ass, pretty much told him he didn't give a fuck what his party line was, that it was time to find a way to fix the ENTIRE middle east now that there is a great call there,  and walked out on his likud diatribes to go to dinner with his family, Bennie has positioned his speech to the hardlines for saving face with his likud and now he will have to talk some reality. 

Don't think so bud, everyone saw how Bibi thrashed Barry S. Barry has been givin' Bibi the two fingered salute for a while now. People said oh those meanie Zionistas are giving our Barry a hard time but Bibi being a big man spoke up for him before the conference the other day. Wikileaks already showed dat Bibi was willing to do a two state deal but even thou our Barry mentioned land swaps he placed way too much emphasis on the 67 border which Bibi is quite right to say is indefensible. Even the large post 67 boundry wasn't enough in 1973 so Bibi is right to be worried.




Owner59 -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:13:55 AM)

That Bibi trashed our President is an extremest anti-Obama line.

I didn`t see anyone trashed.

No shoes thrown,no disses or scowls.




RacerJim -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:17:33 AM)

If you don't know who Barry S is then you've had your head up your behind for at least the past 3 years, but the Illinois Attorney Registration And Disciplinary Committee could tell you. Last week Benjamin Netenyahu LECTURED Barry Soetoro in the latter's own house about the entire middle-east and basically told him to take his fix and shove it.




mnottertail -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:19:46 AM)

All cute propagana from the rabid right but pure asswipe.

There is no Barry S, the 67 borders have been 'defensed' several times by Isreael. This is not Bennies first time up at bat, and he was for a two state  then as well, but got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and had to sit it out a couple cycles.

And Bibster can worry his ass off, we are worried about tornadoes, and each is as defensible against worry.

You are going to have to go to reality to get your 'refudiating' skills on.

 




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:23:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
That Bibi trashed our President is an extremest anti-Obama line.

I didn`t see anyone trashed.

No shoes thrown,no disses or scowls.

"Thrashed" is a bit harsh perhaps but many mainstream reports said Bibi "lectured" ole Barry on the history of the conflict. Shoes would be thrown by Abbas not Bibi.


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
If you don't know who Barry S is...

Reckon Mnottertail was joking as was I.




Owner59 -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:30:51 AM)

Russia was almost destroyed 6 decaded ago.

It didn`t excuse them from later being dicks!




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:36:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Russia was almost destroyed 6 decaded ago.

It didn`t excuse them from later being dicks!

Quite so but it did give them a right to D-Fense something everyone wants to dismiss bout Israel. I'm looking forward to the comparisons between communist Russia and Israel [8|]




mnottertail -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:42:35 AM)

Yeah,  it is unlikely that the Soviet Union will be massively supplying the other side.  So we can cross that worry off for our boy bibbi. 

FACT

You ain't good at facts, the israelis took a shit kicking for 4 days, since it was yom kippur when the surprise attack came, and they lost some ground but decisively won it back. 

FACT

They were at least several fucking millenium and several galaxies away from being destroyed. 

FACT

War was all of 21 days.

FACT 

And the massive help we gave them was because the soviets were massively assisting the opposing team.

FACT

WE STAY OUT OF MEDDLING in the internal affairs, and we have fairly concrete intelligence the SOVIET UNION is sort of forced to do that....  

FACT

We can dismiss your historically accurate half truths as asswipe.

FACT

Superpowers playing tiddlywinks is not a reason to believe in this issue being real and on point any more than WMDS were real and on point to Iraq.

FACT


And if they get ganged up on we will be there as always. So no change there.

FACT

Try Fact.




Owner59 -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 9:42:53 AM)

A dick is a dick.Slavery,jimcrow and bigotry against blacks doesn`t make it alright for a black person to be/act bigoted.It don`t work that way,professor of morality.

Victim-hood doesn`t give you special status and a pass for being a dick.





WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 10:09:26 AM)

Mnottertail you need to calm down buddy. Thats a "FACT". For some reason you've been going mad at my posts the last few days. Here you mixed in some truth with lots of BS.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Yeah,  it is unlikely that the Soviet Union will be massively supplying the other side.  So we can cross that worry off for our boy bibbi. 

FACT

NON-FACT and not even relevant to the point. Speaking of Russia today they have maintained strong links with the Mid East. They assisted Iran develop nuclear technology and supply them with advanced weaponry some of which they tried to force Israel to buy when they objected.

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You ain't good at facts, the israelis took a shit kicking for 4 days, since it was yom kippur when the surprise attack came, and they lost some ground but decisively won it back. 

And the massive help we gave them was because the soviets were massively assisting the opposing team.

FACT

We can dismiss your historically accurate half truths as asswipe.

FACT

Partly true they helped cause the Soviets were helping the other team but also because Israel was desperate enough to use nuclear power facing total defeat. From Wiki

"Based on intelligence estimates at the commencement of hostilities, American leaders expected the tide of the war to quickly shift in Israel's favor, and that Arab armies would be completely defeated within 72 to 96 hours.[194]…

By October 8, Israel had encountered military difficulties on both fronts; in the Sinai, its effort to break through Egyptian lines with armor had been thwarted, and despite advances in the Golan, Syrian air defense systems were taking a high toll of Israeli planes, Israeli forces were retreating, and Syrian forces were overlooking the Jordan River.[196][197][198] It became clear by October 9 that no quick reversal in Israel's favor would occur and that IDF losses were unexpectedly high.[199]

During the night of 8–9 October, an alarmed Dayan told Meir that "this is the end of the third temple."[197] He was warning of Israel's impending total defeat…" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Even books have been written about the importance of the airlift to Israel: http://www.amazon.com/Yom-Kippur-War-Airlift-Strike/dp/0312320426
"This is a war that Israel never thought was possible. Surprised by the fury and excellent execution of the Arab onslaught, and perhaps more than a little complacent, Israel suddenly found itself on the point of losing a war because of a lack of ammunition, planes and tanks. The United States, after much vacillation, finally elected to help Israel, beginning a tremendous airlift (code name: Operation Nickel Grass) which incurred the wrath of the Arab states, and their sponsor, the Soviet Union.

Fortunately the airlift came just in time for Israeli ground forces to stabilize their positions and eventually turn the tide in the Sinai and Golan Heights. And it was all made possible by an operation that dwarfed the Berlin Airlift and the Soviets' simultaneous efforts in Egypt and Syria."




Fellow -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 10:32:09 AM)

I watched the speech. It had pretty clear undertone: Israel and the US Congress and people have great alliance and B. Obma in not in it.




mnottertail -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 10:53:28 AM)

Yeah, you need to calm down yourself.  I posted absolute and total fact, and  everything you write agrees with me 100%.

IF this and IF that aside.

FACT, after thinking at the outset israel was going to clean their clock, based on our intelligence estimates.......

FACT, after much vaccillation we helped them.

FACT the 67 borders are defensible, because they AND MUCH MUCH MORE have been defended several times since then. 

FACT.  We will step in and help Israel if the SOVIET UNION ever reassembles and provides massive armaments to the ME.  

FACT, Egypt probably don't want to get involved in that go around should the impossible occur.

FACT.  Jordan got fucked on Egypt in 67 and that is going to keep them from waltzing in there again.

FACT.  Russia cannot compete with us head to head in a middle east arms race like the entire USSR could, so off the table, the whole 73 size war.

FACT.  Israel cannot exist without our help with any border.
FACT.  Israel will exist and by god we will see to that.
FACT.  Bibbikins is overplaying a pair of deuces, and is caught.

FACT. This is a bullshit bunch of theater, and is essentially meaningless, whine piss and moan, cry and cavil, accuse and play the belligerent,  it is middle eastern politics.

SO Fuckin what, it is the start of diplomacy and negotiation.  Its all good.

Bibs has got to defend the goal, we would not feel satisfied if he decided to grape, and neo-cons wouldn't have anything to bitch about.

Peace in the middle east?  Democracy in the middle east?

HOW ABOUT THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST instead of just Israel.    




juliaoceania -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 11:01:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fellow

I watched the speech. It had pretty clear undertone: Israel and the US Congress and people have great alliance and B. Obma in not in it.


Really? That is a huge logical leap to make..and yes, I am watching it right now.




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Netanyahu is on TV Now (5/24/2011 11:27:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Yeah, you need to calm down yourself.  I posted absolute and total fact, and  everything you write agrees with me 100%.

No I said YOU need to calm yourself down. I thank Gad we are not interchangable. [:D] Time you took your meds cause too much of this is contradictory. If we agree why are we arguing? I said the Airlift was important to Israel's survival during the war and you said BS.

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FACT the 67 borders are defensible, because they AND MUCH MUCH MORE have been defended several times since then. 

Nuts, Israel only had the pre-67 borders for nineteen years. There were numerous armed incursions prior to 1967 but nothing like a full scale military assault.

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FACT.  We will step in and help Israel if the SOVIET UNION ever reassembles and provides massive armaments to the ME.  

lol a pointless thing to say and irrelevant. So much for your "FACTS" and your crystal ball. [8|]

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FACT.  Russia cannot compete with us head to head in a middle east arms race like the entire USSR could, so off the table, the whole 73 size war.

Not at the moment but there is no appetite in the US if it tried to. Wrong, the massively wealthy Arab League could mount a similar operation again. What bout Egypt? They have a much bigger modern army than Israel thanks to US tax dollars.

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FACT.  Israel cannot exist without our help with any border.

Not sure I believe that but maybe unless the UN would stop fingering themeslves. Anyhoo you just contradicted yourself with the defensible '67 borders point.

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FACT.  Israel will exist and by god we will see to that.

This conflict could go on another 100 years easy. By then the US will be China's bitch.

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FACT. This is a bullshit bunch of theater, and is essentially meaningless, whine piss and moan, cry and cavil, accuse and play the belligerent,  it is middle eastern politics.

Agreed so bitch about the Pally's even more cause they are doing most of that. The conflict itself isn't even that serious, its the leverage of the Arab world that makes it major.

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Peace in the middle east?  Democracy in the middle east?

HOW ABOUT THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST instead of just Israel.    

Wonder why the US supports Israel. Its partly cause its right and partly for a cheap reliable supply of oil. The Jewish vote is mostly a red herring. Its the old divide 'em up routine. Israel is useful, an allie and an great hateful enemy of your opponents at the same time. Get Egypt and Saudi on your side by keeping them stable while beating back disruptive influences that would see us oil addicts milked for all we're worth. Democracy there will spell the end of that. Worthwhile for oil that will cripple the West economically... [:D]




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