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xssve -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 2:28:15 PM)
quote: Something else 'existed' (certainly a misnomer, but while english is a pretty rich and bountiful language, there are some things it just is incapable of). That would be the not-nothingness.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 3:20:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve Either way, nothingness into somethingness and something into nothingness would both seem to violate the law of conservation of energy, which is usually thought to apply to god - i.e., "always was, always will be". But nothingness into something doesnt violate the conservation laws as long as the sum total of matter/anti-matter (or their energy equivalents) doesnt change. Conservation hasn't been in a concern regarding the creation of something out of the vacuum since Einstein, relativity clearly allows for it. The unresolved issue is whether the equivalent of anti-matter is ordinary energy or anti-energy.

mnottertail -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 3:24:58 PM)
or it is not a closed system.

blacksword404 -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 3:29:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: xssve You're picking parts at random, making your argument specious: the door to the CPU didn't create the CPU, they were both created in a Fab facilities which are more complex than either the CPU or the door to it. You are reinforcing my point not disputing it. What exactly your point? I'm not following. I don't even think we are having the same argument.

blacksword404 -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 3:32:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve True, but until you do it's speculation. True.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 3:35:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: xssve You're picking parts at random, making your argument specious: the door to the CPU didn't create the CPU, they were both created in a Fab facilities which are more complex than either the CPU or the door to it. You are reinforcing my point not disputing it. What exactly your point? I'm not following. I don't even think we are having the same argument. Including Kirata's clarification, that the addition of a conscious creator to any theory of creation needlessly adds complexity to that theory.

blacksword404 -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 3:38:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Including Kirata's clarification, that the addition of a conscious creator to any theory of creation needlessly adds complexity to that theory. Ok. I'll think on that.

hardcybermaster -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 4:13:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It does amaze me when people deny the possibility of a God yet feel perfectly comfortable ascribing all of creation to wildly speculative theories with absolutely no proof. This theory is no less fantastic and unbelievable then the existence of an advanced all powerful being. Butch but it is good to know that people are asking questions,analysing data,creating theories and working on them rather than just blindly believing. As a very clever bloke once said "belief in god requires a postive decision to turn off all your critical faculties"

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 4:30:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It does amaze me when people deny the possibility of a God yet feel perfectly comfortable ascribing all of creation to wildly speculative theories with absolutely no proof. This theory is no less fantastic and unbelievable then the existence of an advanced all powerful being. Butch but it is good to know that people are asking questions,analysing data,creating theories and working on them rather than just blindly believing. As a very clever bloke once said "belief in god requires a postive decision to turn off all your critical faculties" Damn, I thought that quote was "being a liberal requires a postive decision to turn off all your critical faculties"

kdsub -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 6:32:43 PM)
quote: but it is good to know that people are asking questions,analysing data,creating theories and working on them rather than just blindly believing. As a very clever bloke once said "belief in god requires a postive decision to turn off all your critical faculties" And I agree with you...except the little quote at the end... I think people who have an open mind to all possibilities are the smart ones...I keep an open mind. Butch

xssve -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 8:29:34 PM)
"Quantum foam"- I'm partial to that one for aesthetic reasons.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 8:33:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve "Quantum foam"- I'm partial to that one for aesthetic reasons. Yes..the natural result of conservation not being violated by pair production.

Kirata -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 9:30:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub HERE is a short interesting discussion of that possibility. Appropos the brief conversation you linked to above, I think you (and perhaps some others) may find the following presentation extraordinarily interesting. The Primacy of Consciousness Running time: 69 minutes. K.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 9:36:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub HERE is a short interesting discussion of that possibility. Appropos the brief conversation you linked to above, I think you (and perhaps some others) may find the following presentation extraordinarily interesting. The Primacy of Consciousness Running time: 69 minutes. K. He's interesting till he goes all "Tony Roberts" on you.

Kirata -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 10:26:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy He's interesting till he goes all "Tony Roberts" on you. I've never actually listened to Tony Roberts. All I've ever seen of him is some short exceedingly toothy sound bites. Isn't he some kind of motivational speaker? I don't recall Russell getting into anything like how to find love, or success, or make your life fuller, healthier, and richer, etc. Nevertheless, those few sound bites were enough to incline me to ask you not to explain. [:D] K.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 10:32:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy He's interesting till he goes all "Tony Roberts" on you. I've never actually listened to Tony Roberts. All I've ever seen of him is some short exceedingly toothy sound bites. Isn't he some kind of motivational speaker? I don't recall Russell getting into anything like how to find love, or success, or make your life fuller, healthier, and richer, etc. Nevertheless, those few sound bites were enough to incline me to ask you not to explain. [:D] K. I dont know if he goes that far in this clip but Russell is very much into preaching "self realization and fulfillment" using a cosmic consciousness approach.

Kirata -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/27/2011 10:46:02 PM)
Shows you how familiar I am with the guy, you've got me saying "Tony Roberts" too. It's Tony Robbins. Those brain cells just woke up. Fuck. Now I have to coax them back to sleep again. This is all your fault. Thanks a lot. K.

blacksword404 -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/28/2011 3:39:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: xssve You're picking parts at random, making your argument specious: the door to the CPU didn't create the CPU, they were both created in a Fab facilities which are more complex than either the CPU or the door to it. You are reinforcing my point not disputing it. What exactly your point? I'm not following. I don't even think we are having the same argument. Including Kirata's clarification, that the addition of a conscious creator to any theory of creation needlessly adds complexity to that theory. My answer would have to be not necessarily. A lot depends on what theory is used.

rulemylife -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/28/2011 4:34:36 AM)
I've banged a couple big girls. Wait........is that was this thread is about?

xssve -> RE: Before the Big Bang: looking back in time - Parallel Universes - BBC science (5/28/2011 6:04:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife I've banged a couple big girls. Wait........is that was this thread is about? Origins I speak in two sometimes one grows from many sometimes many splits from one two the birth of deathly life two the leaving off birth the union of all makes and kills leaving off strips and is stripped when deathly life divides itself exchanges never cease sometimes through Love everything grows into one sometimes through Hate everyone splits into two -------------- Fire and Water and Earth and the unfilled measure of Air Hate Hated twice by the roots equals them Love that's in them becomes their friend by the length and width mind, look at her don't sit there eyes astounded born in their bodies men worship her she makes them think of desire doing what joins them in peace and friendship so they call her JOYOUS JOINER Gethosyne Aphrodite no one alive has seen her because she swirls in their eyes all the roots are equal the same in birth and age ruling with different honor each according to their nature -------------- Excerpts from Empedocles, From Nature c. 800 B.C.

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