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Aneirin -> Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 4:52:07 AM)

Aspie, a common and more friendly term for a person with Asperger's syndrome which is so defined in many ways, but overall social anxiety seems to be a common theme.  But as more and more adults seem to be given diagnosi of Aspergers Syndrome, this opens up many questions and that as so far since Asperger's syndrome has come to the fore, it was and still is more common to talk about the young who have been diagnosed, what difficulties they will face in the coming years, totally forgetting about those adults who have been diagnosed later in their life and have got through life with the 'problem' that seems to draw all the attention with the young.

Many adults who at whatever time in their life gain a diagnosis of AS receive it with positive elation and that not because they suddenly have a disorder that entitles them to more attention in life, because there is precious little of that as it is, but because it gives meaning to all those misunderstandings and outright failures one has experienced through life, failures one nevers sees another making. But when the dust has settled and one has come to terms with their supposed inadeqacies, it presents another problem, a problem that in once aware of the things one cannot do, or receive much difficulty and confusion in doing, one tends to keep clear of such situations whereas in the past they would have tried and kept trying from all angles. I will say this, as one so diagnosed, it makes for a lonely life, because although many think they know what an aspie is like, they don't, for aspies just like everyone else feel, the problem is in communicating that feeling. The resultant is aspies tend to indulge in their 'special interest' where they can be in their own world cut off from the realities of life, purely as self defense, perhaps what makes such people appear geeky or not interested in human interaction or affection.

I have and still wonder at the use of all these diagnosi to society, what purpose does it serve if it alienates and the only reason I can come up with, is societal acceptance, the premise that once a person's medical problems are known, the person suffers less suspicion and antagonism for being the odd ball whatever that lives on their own keeping away from people, you know, the norm of society as it is expected, but it does make for a lonely life for the diagnosed if they are not already in an understanding relationship.

But as to my question,the title of this posting, given that more and more adults are being diagnosed with some degree of Asperger's syndrome these days, what does anyone actually know about Asperger's syndrome, for there are too many descriptions often conflicting on the net as it is, would anyone date an aspie if they knew they were aspies ?

What I think I am asking is would a possible date be more comfortable with another if they were honest and admitted their difficulties up front before the commencement of interactions, or best left for another to find out themselves, bearing in mind some of the 'net' descriptions are that of aspies come across as cold and disinterested, something which is purely the failure in human interaction that some aspies experience, it does not mean they don't feel, they just do not know how to express it.

Truth or dishonesty?





FelineFae -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 5:38:38 AM)

If i found someone that i felt very connected with, i don't think such a diagnosis would make a difference.
But then i say, " The cute ones are always crazy ".




SternSkipper -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 6:30:23 AM)

It might be fun. You could have them over for a play date and have your place all decked out for a party.




Rule -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 6:37:38 AM)

You are a good bloke. Have confidence.




SternSkipper -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 7:38:19 AM)

quote:

I have and still wonder at the use of all these diagnosi to society, what purpose does it serve if it alienates and the only reason I can come up with, is societal acceptance, the premise that once a person's medical problems are known, the person suffers less suspicion and antagonism for being the odd ball whatever that lives on their own keeping away from people, you know, the norm of society as it is expected, but it does make for a lonely life for the diagnosed if they are not already in an understanding relationship.


I just thought of something.
What about seeking out another sub as a peer and starting very slow. Like maybe meeting with a few people at a much that maybe has a rep for drawing very few people? Just making friends with a fellow sub who understands your problem would probably be a big leap forward for you.
I was kidding above btw - I DO wish you luck




sunshinemiss -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 7:47:23 AM)

There are several reasons for diagnosing someone - to allow for appropriate treatment, to find a connection with similar people, to help with research, medication, insurance. Diagnoses give valuable information TO HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS.

As for dating a person with Asperger's? I would in a heartbeat. I tend to adore people who have this disorder. The constellation of symptoms tend to be things that create a reality that I respect and admire - the level of honesty, the clarity of words, the way they interact. I have worked with many people with Aspergers - both kids and adults - and I have found them to be a breath of fresh air in a world of fetid inauthenticity. Of course this is not always true, but it is often enough true that I do have an affinity for folks of this ilk.

bets,
sunshine




DesFIP -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 7:48:05 AM)

Any diagnosis  both gives you an understanding and leaves you feeling hopeless at the same time. Is it however more productive to keep trying to do certain things and failing or to turn your energy towards those things you are better at? But you don't need a diagnosis to answer this, math minded folk rarely force themselves to become English majors just because they aren't good at it and should therefore do it. No, they choose to focus their energy on things they can succeed in.

Aneirin, if you were in the U.S., I would suggest cognitive behavioral therapy to help you quickly learn those things you couldn't learn while being undiagnosed. Since therapy in the UK requires a couple of years wait, and you don't get to choose your therapist, I'm not sure what to suggest. Toastmasters perhaps or join your local chamber of commerce (do you have that). Anything that will force you to get up and communicate with others and get feedback to help you improve.

But there are other Aspies here in successful relationships I know, on both sides of the slash. So don't give up hope.

Also there's a natural grieving process that must happen when you are diagnosed. Kubler-Ross wrote about it on Death & Dying, it also applies to less fatal situations. Anger, depression, resignation, bargaining and finally acceptance. Things will improve once you go through the grief process and find peace.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 7:57:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

If i found someone that i felt very connected with, i don't think such a diagnosis would make a difference.
But then i say, " The cute ones are always crazy ".


nothing but love, fae, but people with Aspergers are not crazy. I see crazy as an unhealthy thing. (this is my definition only of course). Whereas people with Aspergers tend to have a unique perspective... this is again ime.
best,
sushine




DesFIP -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 8:17:17 AM)

They also have difficulties with social cues and interpersonal relationships as a result of missing the social cues. It's hard to feel connected to a person who literally does not notice when you're sad.




Aneirin -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 8:36:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

They also have difficulties with social cues and interpersonal relationships as a result of missing the social cues. It's hard to feel connected to a person who literally does not notice when you're sad.


Yes, that is a big problem, for I have been told ladies have come on to me in conversation before, but I just don't notice the subtlties of communication, the result is they bugger off thinking I am not interested. But in my past marriage much of the cause of the break down was I could not respond to anything unless it was said and quite often once it's said it's said if you know what I mean, to which I used to think where did that come from, what caused that. She used to say I was cold, and I used to think she was not interested in me, perhaps the reality is we totally flunked in communication, which I understood to be my fault as she was pretty gregarious with many friends where I had none.

But one thing I have discovered as a coping mechanism for social situations is alcohol, I drink to relax as the anxiety is painful, and it is common with many aspergic adults that they have what others deem as a problem with alcohol. A recent event with friends, a situation I had never encountered before, a fetish club, before the booze was available due to licensing laws, I kept myself in a corner away from others with the overwhelming desire to run, get out and away, as I was aware I was having a panic attack, only when booze, a fair bit of booze passed my lips I relaxed enough to communicate with others but only on a question and answer basis i.e. I answering questions but not asking questions of others. But when in such situations and although I have drunk quite a lot, my mind remains pin sharp I am always on edge, but to cope with society and my interest, I must do these things rather than cut myself off from people.

But what I touched on in the OP, is the fact that many adults have this thing, but there is precious little in terms of advice or even knowledge available on the internet for adults with the problem except links to various books to buy. But as soon as it is about minors, there is loads of stuff for the parents and carers. It does seem to me the adults and their needs are forgotten.




popeye1250 -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 8:39:10 AM)

Sure I would, why not? As long as she had a great ass and legs I wouldn't care if she had a head on her like a baked potato.
Oh yeah, and I could teach her all about "affection."




sexyred1 -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 8:46:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss


quote:

ORIGINAL: FelineFae

If i found someone that i felt very connected with, i don't think such a diagnosis would make a difference.
But then i say, " The cute ones are always crazy ".


nothing but love, fae, but people with Aspergers are not crazy. I see crazy as an unhealthy thing. (this is my definition only of course). Whereas people with Aspergers tend to have a unique perspective... this is again ime.
best,
sushine


That is quite true. My beloved little nephew has autism and he is not crazy; a very high IQ, super great on computers, art, music, but his brain is wired differently and he is not as verbal as he should be.

In the old days of yore, people thought autistic people were retarded and that cannot be farther from the truth.

Asperger's is more highly functional and sometimes very creative. James Durbin, the rocker guy who I loved on American Idol this season has it and he is 22, married, in love, has a baby, a great voice, and is poised to be a rock star.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 9:56:52 AM)

~FR~
 
No, I probably wouldn't date someone with Asperger's.  My oldest child has ADHD and several of his symptoms mimic autism.  I have enough to deal with in making sure he gets the education and attention he needs.  My romantic partner(s) is/are supposed to be the people I turn to in order to help me recharge.  I can't do that if I'm dating the same psychological issues I'm recharging from. 




FelineFae -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 10:05:48 AM)

[:D]
We are all crazy in some way or the other. Finding a partner is just a matter of finding a compatable brand of crazy to your own brand.
We are all of us, flawed, in some way or the other. If it isn't on the outside, it's on the inside, and often, the flaws can be found either place.
Imho, sanity does not exist outside of a textbook, for reference purposes only.

Just my own view on the matter.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 10:08:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

But as to my question,the title of this posting, given that more and more adults are being diagnosed with some degree of Asperger's syndrome these days, what does anyone actually know about Asperger's syndrome, for there are too many descriptions often conflicting on the net as it is, would anyone date an aspie if they knew they were aspies ?

What I think I am asking is would a possible date be more comfortable with another if they were honest and admitted their difficulties up front before the commencement of interactions, or best left for another to find out themselves, bearing in mind some of the 'net' descriptions are that of aspies come across as cold and disinterested, something which is purely the failure in human interaction that some aspies experience, it does not mean they don't feel, they just do not know how to express it.

Truth or dishonesty?




If they know upfront, they can read up, inform themselves about what to expect, they can also learn to understand that you're not cold, that you just don't know how to express your feelings. I tend to hang out with a lot of geeks, the IT world seems to be some sort of safe haven for Aspies. A close friend has a relatively mild form of it, he learned to live with it very well, he tells people up front and even plays it up a bit, so it's quite comical, it doesn't work for everybody, it does for him. Maybe you find another way of dealing with it that is more suited to your personality?

Think about the other person, if you're not getting an emotional feedback, you feel rejected, if you know it's there and the person just can't show it, it's a different story.




PeonForHer -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 10:16:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

If they know upfront, they can read up, inform themselves about what to expect, they can also learn to understand that you're not cold, that you just don't know how to express your feelings.


A friend of mine has Aspergers. He did such reading - and it made a massive difference to his relationships. I knew him before he was diagnosed; in those days, true, he wouldn't notice if I was down or depressed. He still wouldn't notice. But - big but - if I *tell* him that I'm feeling that way, he'll switch on with all receptors. He'll listen, bounce things back . . . he becomes almost like a therapist. It's a really endearing trait. You just have to tailor your means of communication with him, that's all: don't assume that the non-verbal kind will be adequate to the task.




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 10:32:25 AM)

I recently discovered that I am Aspie. Because it's a developmental disorder, it's more difficult to diagnose in adults, but it's beginning to happen. Girls, especially, aren't diagnosed even as children, because they are expected to be quiet & shy, more so than little boys. The way that I got through my childhood was teaching myself how to read at 3 & to play the piano by 5ish. Once I had these things to retreat into, my life was much easier. I was also blessed to have a Father who knew that I was different, even if the label wasn't there, & taught me to celebrate my differences from the mainstream folks.

I discovered drinking & drugs in my late teens & was a full-blown alcoholic & drug addict by the time I was 21. It was definitely a way to cope with the expectations of other people. But when that nearly killed me before I turned 30, I had to find another method. My thing was computers & when I was getting my degree in computer programming, my favorite fantasy was of me working by myself, just me & the computer, on night shift. I wouldn't have needed to interact except sporadically with other humans.

When I finally figured out the Asperger's, I became a lot less hard on myself. I stopped expecting that I could change & become more like others. I stopped thinking that with enough therapy & the right meds, self-prescribed or Dr-prescribed, I could become a fully functioning individual. It was painful at first, the knowing. And I've discovered that when I tell potential partners that I'm Aspie, they tend to stop communicating with me & that makes me sad. Sometimes I think that I will always be lonely now, more so than when I had hope that I could be fixed. But on the other hand, I've given myself permission to not be extremely social & gregarious. I've recently moved to Chicagoland & my friend is very social. The first month I tried to do a lot with her & go to a lot of events & one day I just had a melt-down. I sobbed for 24 hours. And what I realized was that my attempts to be more social were very stressful for me & not good for me at all. So I now try to limit myself to 1 or 2 events per month. My friend & I go out to eat a couple of times & I go upstairs & watch tv with her every now & again.

So my experience has been that nobody has wanted to date me since the diagnosis & my being honest with them about it. I've considered keeping it to myself, but that wouldn't work either, since eventually they'd notice & telling them upfront has weeded them out before I could develop any feelings for them.




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 11:13:11 AM)

I wanted to add this quote from a magazine article about John Elder Robison:

In Look Me in the Eye, Robison described why he felt more comfortable around machines than people: “No matter how big the machine, I am in charge. Machines don’t talk back. They are predictable. They don’t trick me, and they’re never mean. I have a lot of trouble reading other people. I am not very good at looking at people and knowing whether they like me, or they’re mad, or they’re just waiting for me to say something. I don’t have problems like that with machines.”
One day, a longtime friend who was also a therapist handed him a copy of Tony Attwood’s Asperger Syndrome and said, “This book describes you exactly. You could be the poster boy for this condition.” Robison was skeptical only for the few moments it took him to glance through the pages and realize that his friend was right. Robison asked him if there was a cure.
“It’s not a disease. It doesn’t need curing,” his friend replied. “It’s just how you are.”




juliaoceania -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 11:24:02 AM)

I was involved with someone who believed he was an undiagnosed aspie. I loved him dearly (still love him)... so the answer is "yes I would"




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Would you date an Aspie ? (5/26/2011 11:27:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Aneirin, if you were in the U.S., I would suggest cognitive behavioral therapy to help you quickly learn those things you couldn't learn while being undiagnosed. Since therapy in the UK requires a couple of years wait, and you don't get to choose your therapist, I'm not sure what to suggest.

That's not quite accurate - it depends where you live. In my local area turnaround between referral from your GP and getting CBT is around a month, and I think that if you don't like your therapist you get the option to shift to another one.

I don't know where you get the idea that it takes a couple of years, but that's certainly not universal.




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