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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 3:10:46 PM   
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But as to freedom, no one is free, the elected government ensure that to keep themselves in the priviliged position you gave them, but to an outsider, a terrorist perhaps you are what your government is, as you put them there, therefore you should in an ideal world be able to control them and their activities in places where the voting public would rather them not to be due to the consequences that visit them from time to time.To remember although your nation is great and powerful, not everyone will cow to your might, some will react and when they react, they will as they have done so before hit at your heart. NewYork known throughout the world, perhaps the public heart of America, yet it was attacked and was attacked with devastating accuracy thus ripping into the American heart, as if anywhere else other than New York, perhaps some obscure part of  America, that even most Americans had never heard of, would the consternation have been so rife ?


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 3:23:35 PM   
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would the consternation have been so rife ?


Oh I don't know..something tells me that Americans would have reacted the same way to an attack on U.S. territory of that magnitude no matter where it happened.




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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:15:15 PM   
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Which brings me back to a past topic, perhaps much of the reaction was because America itself had never been attacked before by external forces. Perhaps many Americans were complacent in the belief  there was no threat to them, and that because many Americans tend to adhere to an Amerocentric view of what is happening in the world, and that indicated very much on this forum alone. Perhaps 9/11 was a rude awakening that American soil is the target of others, just like many other countries in the world, but perhaps the reason many Americans were so complacent is also partly due to the fact America is so vast, hell, some of your states are bigger than many other countries, you are a country made up of many countries, the states as they used to be.

Now one may wonder why America it seems is so on the ball with regards security as compared to many other countries who look upon America and think are they paranoid or what, perhaps America is paranoid and that because they have realised their power and might is not loved by everyone and there are people with the ability and desire to attack American soil despite the fact that America is so militarily powerful. You can field massive armies with devastating firepower, but can you stop the lone terrorist hiding and moving around amongst the populace, for that one can cause more damage mentaly than anything you can field and that because other nations have a memory of war on their soil, they are used to it, where you are not, and that I believe is why your government sets up such institiutions as the TSA. It is to all intents and purposes a paranoid reaction to threat that can be just one person, when if ever they come that the rest of you must undergo the pat to ensure you are not they, but I do understand the pat is a case of shutting the door after the horse has bolted, for anyone that desires to attack American soil again will do so and totally circumvent what is in place that hinders you. But they of the grope and feel, I wonder, have they found any with anything that could be terrorist inspired yet.

But of the terrorist, they have won, they have destabilised America, you are to all intents and purposes turning upon yourselves, as you are all now suspect of each other and that indicated by such things as PA finds, TSA to do the searches at aschool prom, you are losing your liberty and starting to understand how life is for many others in the world, perhaps even the homelands of those who attacked your country with what became known as 9/11, but as an observation, isn't 911 your telephone emerency call, if it is, the atrocity that 9/11 will be etched in your minds forever?


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:29:21 PM   
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Icarys...I don't thank they truly want to give you a reach around...who knows, she could be cute and you might like it!

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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:29:22 PM   
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I didn't have a realization at that time that our government was on the wrong track..that we were targets. I've felt that for some time.

That attack has been a long time coming but we've had other "attacks" by people of our own nation. So we aren't naive, at least the people I've been around aren't.

You've made some point that have been made before about losing liberties..I for one am not willing to give up one single liberty in the face of anything. Why would we...as you say (and it's the truth) there isn't a damn thing we can do if one lone bomber wants to do something..I'm not living a life of fear and imprisonment through regulations that strip what this country of what makes it so great.


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:29:37 PM   
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Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on Texans to protest the government’s egregious threat of a federal blockade if the Texas Senate passed an anti-TSA groping bill resulted in hundreds of protesters storming the Capitol in Austin yesterday afternoon.


What an amazing news flash!

You know, I did a search and the only places that this was reported were Alex Jones' sites.

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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:30:46 PM   
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Icarys...I don't thank they truly want to give you a reach around...who knows, she could be cute and you might like it!

If she wants to do that I'd rather have her number and get to know her first, ya know?


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:35:05 PM   
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All around the U.S. peoples rights are being stripped through the very avenues that were put into place to protect them. We're suppose to have a voice, not be blackmailed and threatened when we're completely within those rights.

Playing hardball with 300 million plus people isn't very bright.



You elect the people that make these decisions, yet you to portray yourself as a victim.



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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:35:43 PM   
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Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on Texans to protest the government’s egregious threat of a federal blockade if the Texas Senate passed an anti-TSA groping bill resulted in hundreds of protesters storming the Capitol in Austin yesterday afternoon.


What an amazing news flash!

You know, I did a search and the only places that this was reported were Alex Jones' sites.


Type TSA bill and you'll get probably hundreds. Try variations.

It also made TV news as you can see the vids for CNN and a couple of others.


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:37:31 PM   
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You elect the people that make these decisions, yet you to portray yourself as a victim.


What would you suggest we do..not vote? Read the future of what people will do once they are in office?

What you do is try your best to judge what they'll do and if they don't..you vote another way.


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:50:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capitol Alex Jones’ spontaneous decision calling on Texans to protest the government’s egregious threat of a federal blockade if the Texas Senate passed an anti-TSA groping bill resulted in hundreds of protesters storming the Capitol in Austin yesterday afternoon.


What an amazing news flash!

You know, I did a search and the only places that this was reported were Alex Jones' sites.


Type TSA bill and you'll get probably hundreds. Try variations.

It also made TV news as you can see the vids for CNN and a couple of others.



I found them, thanks for the heads up, but it appears this thing is dead.

Not that I'm a proponent of what the TSA is doing.

Texas Fight Against TSA Groping Is Over. Feds Win.

The bill passed in the House, but floundered in the Senate after the feds threatened to cancel all flights out of Texas if it passed. Texas U.S. attorney told senators in a letter that Texas didn’t have the right to pass a statute that would conflict with federal law, per the U.S. Constitution.

In this case of Texas Hold’em, the legislators weren’t willing to call the feds bluff; they folded.

“The TSA bill did ‘expire’ [Wednesday] evening,” a spokesperson for the bill’s author tells me. “It was brought up briefly but there weren’t the votes to support it being voted on.”

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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:50:46 PM   
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Always remember, and this goes for all countries that use the democratic system of voting in a leader;

A country gets the leaders it deserves.

That being whilst we are all distracted by x factor,celebrities,sport and soaps, we are ignoring the realities of life and whilst we are otherwise engaged in entertainment, much slips by, for we are unnoticing unless a concerned reporter wants to stick their head up over the parapet and wake us all up from our slumber with the latest political intrigue, which we mull and chew over until it slips from our mind so we can get back to the tv.

Me, disgusted at our system in the UK, where change is promised but never happens have taken the decision to join the majority and not vote for political parties, I have dipped out of the voting process as a protest until something better comes along that inspires me to once again cast my vote.

I was once told that if no one voted that opens the door to the looneys to come in, well, I wonder at that, given the wankers we have now and had before maybe the looneys will be better, so I refrain from votin until something better comes.


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:56:46 PM   
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quote:

You elect the people that make these decisions, yet you to portray yourself as a victim.


What would you suggest we do..not vote? Read the future of what people will do once they are in office?

What you do is try your best to judge what they'll do and if they don't..you vote another way.



Which was exactly my point.


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 4:59:30 PM   
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Always remember, and this goes for all countries that use the democratic system of voting in a leader;

A country gets the leaders it deserves.

That being whilst we are all distracted by x factor,celebrities,sport and soaps, we are ignoring the realities of life and whilst we are otherwise engaged in entertainment, much slips by, for we are unnoticing unless a concerned reporter wants to stick their head up over the parapet and wake us all up from our slumber with the latest political intrigue, which we mull and chew over until it slips from our mind so we can get back to the tv.



Go back to the TV.

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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 5:29:05 PM   
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I don't watch tv, I listen to radio whist doing something more constructive.

As to the quote I highlighted, it was wrongly attributed to Abraham Lincoln.

It was first said by Joseph du Maistre in ;

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.

But if Abraham Lincoln  was said to say such, then it is indicative that he was aware of Joseph du Maistre's writings and correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Abe one of America's greats ?


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 5:42:15 PM   
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I found them, thanks for the heads up, but it appears this thing is dead.

Not that I'm a proponent of what the TSA is doing.

Texas Fight Against TSA Groping Is Over. Feds Win.

The bill passed in the House, but floundered in the Senate after the feds threatened to cancel all flights out of Texas if it passed. Texas U.S. attorney told senators in a letter that Texas didn’t have the right to pass a statute that would conflict with federal law, per the U.S. Constitution.

In this case of Texas Hold’em, the legislators weren’t willing to call the feds bluff; they folded.

“The TSA bill did ‘expire’ [Wednesday] evening,” a spokesperson for the bill’s author tells me. “It was brought up briefly but there weren’t the votes to support it being voted on.”

I've read that a number of states are going to try the same thing. I sure hope this isn't over.


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 6:14:22 PM   
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And they now set the TSA up at proms and graduations. 

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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 6:23:25 PM   
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Radio Host Storms Texas Capitol Over TSA Bill






Becca Aaronson and Thanh Tan
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May 26, 2011 Well, it’s true. There’s never a dull moment at the Texas Legislature. The House and Senate were going about their regular end-of-session business on Wednesday when loud screams could be heard coming from the rotunda. Outside the chambers, a group of mostly men and a few women were screaming, “Cri-mi-nal! Cri-mi-nal!” and “Treason! Treason!” It didn’t take long for reporters to locate the ringleader: Alex Jones, the controversial radio host and filmmaker who describes himself as a staunch constitutionalist. He is also a supporter of the 9/11 truther movement, which has accused the government of orchestrating the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. So who’s his beef with now? The federal Transportation Security Administration — and the Texas Senate. “Every one of [those senators] is an enemy of the Republic and the Republic of Texas!” he bellowed. On Tuesday night, the Senate pulled down the so-called TSA “groping” bill. HB 1937 would have allowed Texas to criminalize “invasive” airport security searches by federal TSA agents if they “intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly” touched the anus, breasts or genitals of travelers. The bill was expected to pass until the U.S. Department of Justice intervened and sent a letter to the state threatening to cancel flights and close airports statewide if the legislation became law. In response, several senators dropped their support.//
Wimmer wants to stop TSA searches Daily Herald - ‎46 minutes ago‎ A Utah lawmaker is looking to follow the Texas State Legislature in proposing a law that bans searches by airport security officials on airline passengers. Rep. Carl Wimmer, R-Herriman, has opened a bill file that states Transportation Security ...

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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 6:34:56 PM   
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And they now set the TSA up at proms and graduations. 

http://www.koat.com/r-video/27979990/detail.html

Supposedly it was ordered by a fed judge that they use a "TSA Certified" person but they couldn't find one so they used officers instead.

Security not uncommon these days I suppose but what's a fed judge ordering this into action anyway?

I smell a rat. A government promoted and marketed TSA in the spotlight so you'll get used to getting pat downs rat.


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RE: Rage Against The TSA: Protesters Storm Texas Capito... - 5/26/2011 6:43:15 PM   
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Wimmer wants to stop TSA searches Daily Herald - ‎46 minutes ago‎ A Utah lawmaker is looking to follow the Texas State Legislature in proposing a law that bans searches by airport security officials on airline passengers. Rep. Carl Wimmer, R-Herriman, has opened a bill file that states Transportation Security ...


Yeah I was checking that out..To me it's clearly a 4th and a 10th amendment violation.


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