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tazzygirl -> Patent reform (5/26/2011 11:26:00 PM)

Like its Senate counterpart (S. 23), the House bill includes an unfortunate provision that would shift America’s current patent system (in which the first person to conceive of an invention is granted a patent) to a “first to file” system that would turn our system into a foot race to the Patent and Trademark Office (PTO).

The U.S. has always awarded a patent to the first inventor to come up with an idea, even if somebody else beat him to the PTO. The Constitution, in fact, mandates that inventors have exclusive right to their discoveries. It’s one of the main tenets of our nation that have led our citizens to seek the American dream. Yet, some are insisting that we need to abandon our system, which has produced game-changing inventions, and harmonize with the rest of the world. With all due respect to our friends and allies abroad, I would not trade America’s record of innovation with that of any of those first-to-file countries.

The bill also would devastate inventors by expanding prior user rights and dramatically weakening the current one-year grace period for U.S. inventors. This grace period is critical to small inventors, who can use that year to develop their inventions, seek investors and raise funds to begin the expensive patent-application process.

The House bill, like its Senate counterpart, also would create a controversial new administrative post-grant review process. Current law already provides two separate administrative tracks to challenge a patent within the PTO, in addition to the opportunity to pursue action in court. This bill proposes to add a third post-grant review process despite two distinct downsides to creating a duplicative challenge process at the PTO.

First, it would waste resources. The PTO has a backlog of 700,000 patent applications waiting to be examined. That is where the PTO needs to focus its efforts, and using additional resources to duplicate current (and efficient) processes makes no sense. Second, it can be abused. Some companies already specialize in the use of patent re-examinations to tie up valid patents, not to remove invalid patents. We must avoid giving such firms another tool to abuse the patent system.

Many of America’s inventors and innovators are alarmed over these proposed changes to our patent system, and we must hear them out and address their concerns. We should listen to stakeholders of all sizes and perspectives to find a true consensus approach to modernizing our patent system. I urge Congress simply to halt fee diversion from the PTO, allowing the office to improve the patent-application process by hiring sufficient staff and updating its information-technology infrastructure. I look forward to working with my colleagues on and off the committee to craft a solution that will support and encourage all of our American innovators.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/26/patent-reform-proposals-threaten-american-prosperi/

Here are the actual bill summary links...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1249&tab=summary .. still in the House Budget commitee

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-23&tab=summary ... Passed the Senate now on to the House

Why doesnt this seem right?




blacksword404 -> RE: Patent reform (5/26/2011 11:36:11 PM)

Why would you bother to invent when you can simply spy on the guy that invents? Then file before him. Much cheaper and a more efficient use of time.

If I invented anything under these rules I would likely immediately destroy that invention. Only way to ensure I retain control over it. If I were doing it for the fun of making something new, destroying it would not negate the fact that I made it. Even if I'm the only one who knows.




joether -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 12:51:47 AM)

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Termyn8or -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 2:44:37 AM)

Business as usual. Once one realizes just who "they" work for, this appears to be but the tip of the iceberg.

It's crystal clear that the government does not serve the People, as is what the Constitution indicates what should be done about it. Every last goddamn thing they do is to line the pockets of their friends.

I should've put the words friends in quotes, because they don't understand the concept. I hope their "friends" stab them in the back someday. Oh, wait, they do that, the bailout etc., they're just so stupid they don't see it.

Look what happened to copyrights. Intellectual property rights were what impelled people to create. Of course we can't have that.

Somewhere on this board is a post about a small drug company that invented a combination of drugs for a specific ailment which was quite effective. Doctors were prescribing it. Later a big drug company got the rights to it. Probably charges ten times as much for it, and told that small drug company that they were no longer allowed to sell what they themselves had invented.

So really, how much worse can it get ? We have no rights. Not even to our own thoughts. Our own minds, bodies, anything. Carlin said it "They OWN you".

T^T




samboct -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 6:22:41 AM)

Hi Tazzy

The articles a little misleading-

Like many of our current problems, this one stems from .....drum roll please.....Ronnie Rayguns who gutted the patent office. Being a patent examiner is a critical job and these folks aren't supposed to use consultants in order to keep the process secret. Ronnie of course decided that gov't was too big, and so fired these guys too.

Current problems with our IP system-

Right now, we have the ability to file provisional patents, which gives you a year to put your ducks in a row to get a real patent which typically costs about $10-$15k for something simple. This is assuming you don't write it yourself. Provisionals are two edged sword- if done incorrectly, they screw the pooch on the real patent.

A lot of the bellyaching comes from pharma who can't sell a drug on the market until the patent has been approved. (A patent is only a license to sue somebody else- doesn't give you freedom to operate.) Since there can be a 5 year backlog from the time the patent is submitted to the time it's approved- the drug makers are understandably a bit upset. Furthermore- the patent lifetime isn't extended during this time period- the clock on the lifetime of the patent begins when the application is filed.

With the global economy- it's become very challenging to patent in every country where you're going to sell your product- and typically the costs start at $50k and go up quickly. Patenting in China is a sick joke still although there are some folks who claim the process has improved. For small companies- fuggedaboudit...

Other idiocy- business methods can be patented. This is dumb and has again, taken resources away from other inventions which really do need patent protection.

Microsoft screwed up the system when their damn bloatware wasn't patented- but was awarded a copyright. Copyrights have much longer lifetimes and you don't have to show what goes into them. This meant Microsoft didn't have to reveal its source code. But that's a separate problem....

So in short- if the system would work the way it was intended- it doesn't need fixing. We do need more patent examiners though...

Sam




DomKen -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 8:54:06 AM)

we desperately need an overhaul of all of our IP laws, not just patents. However this law has some serious failings not the leastof which is no longer giving priority to the actual inventor.




tazzygirl -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 1:44:32 PM)

Thats how I am reading it, Ken.

I cant help but see how that will interfer with innovation in this country.




Moonhead -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 1:48:16 PM)

Perhaps, but just what innovations have been produced in your country over the last fifty years by somebody who wasn't a corporate shill playing second fiddle to whoever they'd signed their rights away to?




tazzygirl -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 2:03:40 PM)

Oh, Im sure you can find something here...

The Top 50 Inventions of the Past 50 Years

Quite a few somethings, in fact.










Moonhead -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 2:10:17 PM)

Most of those sort of prove my point, sadly: the people who should hold the patents being fucked over because they were paid on a work for hire basis.
(The Apple II, which there's a photo of there, is a case in point: what the fuck did Steve Jobs contribute to that which was worth an equal share of the intellectual property and manufacturing company to the man who actually designed the thing?)

Robert Moog owns his rights (though debatably he stole a lot of his design work from Raymond Scott), but who else listed there does?




tazzygirl -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 2:15:38 PM)

quote:

Most of those sort of prove my point, sadly: the people who should hold the patents being fucked over because they were paid on a work for hire basis.


Many of the patents were held by the owners of the businesses... Nike being one.

The inventor of the microwave? He became VP of the company and held 300 patents.

The robot... Unimate was the first industrial robot,[1] which worked on a General Motors assembly line in New Jersey, in 1961.[2][3] It was created by George Devol in the 1950s using his original patents. Devol, together with Joseph Engelberger, started Unimation the world's first robot manufacturing company.[4]





Moonhead -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 2:22:06 PM)

Does picking out a few examples disproe my point that plenty of patents have been developed for the benefit of corporate employers rather than the employees who did the work?
All the proposed changes to patent law are doing is codifying something that's been a fact of life for a long time now.




tazzygirl -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 2:25:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Does picking out a few examples disproe my point that plenty of patents have been developed for the benefit of corporate employers rather than the employees who did the work?
All the proposed changes to patent law are doing is codifying something that's been a fact of life for a long time now.


It was an answer to your question...

quote:

Perhaps, but just what innovations have been produced in your country over the last fifty years by somebody who wasn't a corporate shill playing second fiddle to whoever they'd signed their rights away to?


Just pointing out which ones didnt fit your inquiry.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 4:34:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Does picking out a few examples disproe my point that plenty of patents have been developed for the benefit of corporate employers rather than the employees who did the work?
All the proposed changes to patent law are doing is codifying something that's been a fact of life for a long time now.


It was an answer to your question...

quote:

Perhaps, but just what innovations have been produced in your country over the last fifty years by somebody who wasn't a corporate shill playing second fiddle to whoever they'd signed their rights away to?


Just pointing out which ones didnt fit your inquiry.



Yeah, the people the inventor "signed his rights away to" didn't provide any resources that enabled the invention in the first place.

Please put a warning at the top when youre going to quote that moron.




tazzygirl -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 5:44:25 PM)

WTF are you talking about willbe?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 6:20:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

WTF are you talking about willbe?


You drinking today too? Do I need a [/sarcasm] for you to understand it?




tazzygirl -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 6:27:36 PM)

No, im trying to figure out why the hell you are replying to me at all.

Face it, you believe in an idiot, you take delight in pot shots at any turn... and now you are trying to use me to get to someone else.

Dont bother.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Patent reform (5/27/2011 6:31:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No, im trying to figure out why the hell you are replying to me at all.

Face it, you believe in an idiot, you take delight in pot shots at any turn... and now you are trying to use me to get to someone else.

Dont bother.


The ignore button is just a click away. Feel free to use it.




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